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Help With Stamped Envelope That Has Bouton's Dispatch Local Stamp

 
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I'm hoping someone can help me with a stamped envelope I came across today while going through a box of covers. As the subject says, it's a stamped envelope (Scott U1, UPSS #2) that includes a version of Bouton's 1848 2c Black (18L1). I'm wondering if it's a counterfeit but I know so little about this stamp and local postage in general I can't say for sure.

This one seems considerably less "detailed" than even the counterfeits I read about online. Other concerns I have is the black "PAID" cancellation, everything else I have seen is red. And the fact it is appearing on a stamped envelope from 1853 or later.

Is there a source to go to where you can compare this specimen to an original?


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Sundry Reading FYI.

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Further reading on US Locals and forgeries,
Alas! Bouton only mentioned in passing, no forgery information.
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http://goscf.com/t/17845 br /
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Posted 08/28/2021   06:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your local stamp has a purported "A. Swarts" manuscript overprint. Bouton sold his express business to Aaron Swarts in 1849. For a short period after that, Swarts used the second Bouton design (Scott 18L2) stamps but manuscript cancelled them "Swarts" (Scott 136L13). I can't tell from the scan whether the stamp is an original or a reprint, but it is the first design (18L1) which is the wrong stamp to have the Swarts manuscript cancel. Further the real 136L13 was only used for a short period after the sale in 1849 - years before your postal entire. Finally, that PAID marking just looks wrong and doesn't match anything used by Swarts.
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I am sure that most have checked out Siegel for examples but if not here you go:

https://siegelauctions.com/lot_grd....emailflag=on
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Posted 08/28/2021   10:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Harper1249 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't think to look at Siegel's website. Here it is sandwiched between two legit versions auctioned at Siegel (had to turn down the resolution to get it load). The missing details in the vignette (horizontal lines, facial features and hair) plus the issues identifies by SPQR lead me to think this is not original.


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The "Bible" for these is Larry Lyons' 3 volume work "The Identifier for Carriers, Locals, Fakes, Forgeries and Bogus Posts of the United States". It details the originals, reprints, counterfeits, & forgeries of this issue.

The terminology is also important ... not just throwing fake, forgery, counterfeit, etc. around willy-nilly. It depends who made them, when and why.
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