Can Anyone Help With The Source/Publisher Joint Issue Item?

Hi,
Trying to find out about this - source/publisher, quantities published etc? And any value.

TYIA

Looks like a private issue, though why it's in German is beyond me (instead of the obvious English/Swedish). Maybe there are versions in other languages, like French and Spanish. The joint-stamp FDC sells for a dollar or two, I'd peg this as worth about the same.

Inscription B/46/83 may have some relevence.

Perhaps something like B=Language (German)
46 = card 46 of 100
83 =1983

It might be a private issue by a badly informed German dealer or an agency like the Franklin Mint in Germany. It is highly philatelic. It was almost impossible to cancel an item on the same day in both Europe and the USA. If it, truly, had crossed the ocean and been cancelled on that same day, I would expect some information on that. My guess is that it has no value other than to someone who collects such items.

The text at the bottom states it is significant for stamp collectors because it is the first multiple-country issue. I am not sure if differnt countries is limited to just Sweden and the USA. The subject makes me suspect "verschiedene" is just two. The main text speaks of "both" countries.

On 20 April 1982 - almost a year earlier -, the USA and the Netherlands had a joined issue with common design on a similar subject. You will find similar items with dual cancellations.

I cannot find a Philly cancel which matches the one in the original post (note the differences in the 3 in the 1983. Also difference in the Philly name. Here is a comparison


Don

In the USA, you can obtain a FDC cancellation up to 60 days after the date of issue. It is probably similar in other countries, especially for commercial outfits that have hundreds (or thousands) of cachets/cards/oversized items prepared. The post-issue lag time may have been even longer in the past.

Might also explain the slight differences in the FDC CDS.

John

I looked at about 60 FDCs and could not find one that looked like the OPs. I agree that this is not definitive but the point of my post was that the cancel might provide additional evidence to prove/disprove the authenticity of the item.
Don

Good point, Don.

If one wanted to do an in-depth analysis, perhaps a good starting point would be the CDS cancels on their other products?! Looking for exact same fonts, etc.

It does beg the question, why would someone do fraudulent cancellations on something of such minimal value?

John

Could the producer have signed a contract with the US Post Office under which the Post Office sent it a handstamp for cancelling these items? Must the item have been cancelled in Philadelphia? It could explain why the cancellation is different from local cancellations.

I do not think this must be a fake. At least, it is purely philatelic and aimed at uninformed collectors. As I pointed out, it was not the first joined international issue with a common design as the sheet claims.

The USA and the Netherlands issued stamp with a common design on a similar subject, US-Dutch relations, a year earlier. Those were issued on the same day. Covers with stamps cancelled in the US and the Netherlands were sold to the public.

European countries issued a common-design CEPT stamp, already, in the 1950s.

I don't see why not. It's times like this where you need an insider (ex-employee of Fleetwood, Artcraft, Artmaster or some similar commercial entity) to explain how things are actually done within the "industry."

Maybe it is a trade secret, or you need a magic decoder ring or something like that to find out...

John

There is an extremely high chance this card never saw either Stockholm or Philadelphia.

I agree, seeing covers processed by the large commercial FDC producers, they are canceling their covers themselves with devices not available to the public. Particularly obvious in the commemorative souvenir covers marketed by these producers.

I have no doubt the dual cancels in the last of Don's scans were applied in the same machine-stroke.