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Hungarian "Urgent Delivery" 1919 - Who Issued It?

 
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Posted 01/08/2022   7:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rob Roy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
In July 1919 the communist regime issued a set of perf and imperf stamps.
In November 1919 Horty's regime issued their first set of perf stamps.
In October 1919 urgent delivery stamps both perf and imperf were issued.
Who might have issued them?
On one hand, it's closer to Horty's time and the communists were busy fighting the French, Romanians, Serbs, and Horty.
On the other hand, it had an imperf version like the communist used to and Horty didn't.
What do you think?
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Posted 01/08/2022   9:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Romanian Army seized Budapest on August 6, 1919, forcing the Hungarian Communist government to collapse and flee to Austria. So I'd say, the October stamp was issued by not the Communists.
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Thank you, I didn't know that.
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Posted 01/08/2022   9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are we discussing Scott "Special Delivery Stamps"
(Express issues) ?
I see imperf examples in all issues.

The Communists only overprinted the stamps?
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Yes Rod, that's the one, marked E3 by Scott.
E1 is from 1916, the kingdom era, and E2 is E1 overprinted by the republic. No communist overprint.
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Posted 01/09/2022   04:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
No communist overprint.


So where am I going wrong?
Caveat: I know nothing of Hungarian History

I had prior presumed the Republic was the Communists "Koztarsasag"

If not which stamp is the communist issue?

I have the Monarchy


The REPUBLIC


and GENERAL issue


If they were in power just 100 days
how could they print stamps?

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The communists didn't issue a stamp of this set. That was my original question.

Big Blue has 5 great articles about Hungary:

Hungary 1871-1916

Hungary Franz Josef I:
1871 Litho vs 1871-72 Engraved Issue

Hungary 1916-1940

Hungary-BOB, Occupation

Western Hungary (Lajtabansag) 1921 Issues

The first, third, and fourth are particularly useful, IMO.

The second big source is SCW:
https://www.stamp-collecting-world....hungary.html

It has subdivisions:

Definitives 1871-1881

Definitives 1888-1898

Definitives 1900-1916

Definitives 1916-1918

Definitives 1918-1920
(Democratic Republic)

Definitives 1919
(Soviet Republic)

Definitives 1920-1924
(Regency & Hyperinflation)

Charity Stamps 1913-1917

For detailed info SCW refers the reader to a third site.


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I had prior presumed the Republic was the Communists "Koztarsasag"

That is one of my joys in collecting and reading in this forum, learning new historical facts.
Like, who would have thought that Fascist Mussolini would have formed a socialist government?
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Mussolini didn't form a socialist government.
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Can you elaborate?
I refer to this, surely it wasn't really socialist but it called itself so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itali...ial_Republic
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It did not. Mussolini called his Salo puppet state the "Italian Social Republic". Nothing to do with socialism or a "socialist government".
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Posted 01/09/2022   06:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do you mean social like "populara" in "Republica Populara Romina", RPR?
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I'm afraid I can't pronounce on Romance languages. I was merely correcting your statement that Mussolini formed a socialist government.
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Posted 01/09/2022   07:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StatesmanStamper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My Hungarian catalogue has this to say about the stamp, per Google Translate:


Quote:

The stamps were manufactured as early as 1918, but were not marketed until after the fall of the Soviet Republic.


Dale
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Posted 01/09/2022   08:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Dale.
All the kingdom stamps were labeled "Magyar Kir(alyi) posta".
The republic (which marked its later stamps as "Magyar Posta") existed from November 1918 to March 1919, then came the communists until August 1919.
I guess the third Express stamp, marked E3 in Scott's catalog, was issued on 1919-10-18 by the regency of Horty, as their first issued stamp.
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