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Admiral Scott #116 Certified In France

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Posted 03/27/2022   1:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I had previously purchased two uncertified Scott #116's online had to send both back because of problems that were not disclosed.
So I purchased my first stamp that has a certificate however it was purchased from France and the certificate is from there. I wouldn't expect them to send their stamps over here for certification.
Is this a worthless certificate or is it respected over here?
It's a beautiful fresh stamp with excellent gum I'm very pleased with the stamp and it's a keeper for sure.
Would you agree with the grade assigned on the certificate?




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Posted 03/27/2022   2:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This ebay seller has a poor reputation and issues his own certificates that are worth nothing. he has been accused of rampant shill bidding and "certifying" all kinds of stamps that are not real or have bogus cancels. There is a discussion of him on another stamp forum from down under. Anyway, the stamp looks nice regardless of the certificate.

Edit to add: Far from XF.
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Edited by rogdcam - 03/27/2022 2:07 pm
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Posted 03/27/2022   2:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but grading this as XF seems a bit high. The centering is too far to the right and downward. Still, a nice copy.
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Posted 03/27/2022   2:13 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Grading isn't ordinarily practised in Europe. The design here leans to the right and to the bottom of the stamp, which I presume wouldn't translate into XF in the US.
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Posted 03/27/2022   2:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The more I look at the perf tips the more convinced I am that this stamp is regummed. Look in particular at the fibers. Definitely look at the upper right corner perf (looking from the front) and the accumulation of gum. That should not be that way.
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Posted 03/27/2022   2:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think the cert will carry a lot of weight for people who pay real money for Canada.

For comparison, here is Unitrade's pictorial representations of centering on admirals:



Top to bottom, XF then VF then F/VF.

In the verbal description, "Extremely Fine stamps are close to being perfectly centered."
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Posted 03/27/2022   2:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is something funny going on in the third "A" of Canada...anyone have their Marler close at hand?
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Posted 03/27/2022   2:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
He has a rare Japan airmail overprint for sale with one of his certs. It is fake as the day is long.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/125174584024
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Posted 03/27/2022   3:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A Scott 73 that is supposedly MNH that is absolutely regummed and again is called XF. It also has one of his "certificates".




https://www.ebay.com/itm/125132288531
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Posted 03/27/2022   3:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hounddog - I would return the stamp.
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Posted 03/27/2022   3:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The T in postage, Ink pull?
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Posted 03/27/2022   3:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Casey Magoo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Admirals are a great issue to collect. They are all around and in auctions regularly. I myself would never seek out one that is certified, just pick and choose based on centering and gum. For Canada, unless the Scott number is in question ie. 1 vs 4, or a tricky Small Queen, I wouldn't bother.
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Posted 03/27/2022   3:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldboldandbrash to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rogdcam— I would agree that the admiral looks fishily regummed in perhaps an obvious manner (perhaps). What's your argument that the queen is also regummed? (Asking not to be contrarian but as a learning moment)
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Posted 03/27/2022   3:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The perf tip fibers are loaded with gum. You can see it much better in the listing using the magnifier feature. It is 100% regummed. I called this guy out on a couple of his spurious listings, one being a fake Japan 1919 airmail overprint with his cert and asked what his credentials for issuing certificates were. He came back full of bluster and stated that his feedback was his credentials. LOL He has operated under at least two other ID's that have been shut down. He sells lots of fake overprints with certificates. Avoid this character.
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Posted 03/27/2022   6:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the Admiral, look at the upper left corner and the bottom left. Fibers are caused by breaking the paper and should not have gum on them.

The Leaves stamp looks to have gum inside the perf holes at top and parts of the sides. Perfs are normally punched after gum is applied (certainly for this issue) so this cannot happen unless regummed or sweated.
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Posted 03/27/2022   6:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add archerg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd chip in that I lean towards it being regummed, on first "gut reaction" from the scan. Has an unnatural whiteness and surface shine. I'd caution it is always better to see the item in person before finalizing one's opinion.

The Admiral has had its perf tips filed and fluffed too, methinks.

The 10c Leaf, I'd not offer any opinion on just a scan.

Seller creates his own certs, definitely a buyer-beware situation. You will note he has no AIEP accreditation.
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Edited by archerg - 03/27/2022 9:44 pm
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