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80 Centimes X 2 French Letter To New Orleans

 
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Posted 03/30/2022   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wctiger to your friends list Get a Link to this Message




Here is another one with an unusual 18 cents marking.
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Posted 03/30/2022   11:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 18 cents would be an accountancy mark I suppose??
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Posted 03/31/2022   07:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 18c is a French credit marking.(triple rate ?)
The letter was sent during the France-Usa postal Treaty of 1857-1869.
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Posted 03/31/2022   09:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wtcrowe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The most unusual feature of this cover is the red "Baltimore AM. PKT PAID" marking which is quite scarce and normally only found on inbound mail from the Caribbean. Sometimes on mail to US domestic destinations and some times on mail from the Caribbean to Europe. This marking means the cover first arrived in the United States at the port of Baltimore. Baltimore was an exchange port for international mails for only a few years.
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Posted 03/31/2022   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
French credit marking

Can we expand on that please? Not sure I understand correctly.

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Posted 03/31/2022   4:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll have a go Rod.

It was a way of doing the accountancy under the treaties. New South Wales had something similar in the 1850s.

It was a way for the Postal Department to keep track of what was owed to whom.
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Posted 03/31/2022   5:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The postal treaty of Washington (1857-1869) was complicated(I have it under my eyes).
In the cover above; the 2 80c stamps were at the double weight (2x7.5grams).Under the treaty;The French postal administration had to return 18cents to the American administration.Why? It all depended on the route and which countries ship (American,French) was carrying the mail.Also if it was via the British isles.Part of the credit could go to GB also.
The Americans would do the same thing on their end with letters going to France.
Calculations of the weight of each letter,departure,arrival ports;transit ports and the means of delivery complicated things.
Stampless letters had their specific credits.Insufficient postage also.
There was also a certain disatisfaction between the Postal regimes about who was working overtime more than the other.So they came up with this credit system to compensate.The Postal administrators of France and America would meet every 3 months or so and pay each others credit dues off... It chaged after 1870 into another treaty...
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Edited by perf12 - 03/31/2022 5:08 pm
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Posted 03/31/2022   5:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks perf12 for the extra information
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Posted 03/31/2022   7:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wctiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the discussion so far. It has been very helpful.
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Posted 04/01/2022   11:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wctiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Based on the info here, I searched the book of Charles Hargest and found the info in the another chapter not related to French mail.

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