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Lombardy Venetia 5c - Experts Mark ID

 
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Posted 04/25/2022   3:25 pm  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add gmot to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Anyone familiar with what look like an expert's mark on this Lombardy Venetia 1850 first issue 5c with Verona cancel (Scott 1b Sassone 1a)?

On the bottom left - I read it as "MU." but do not recognize it & cannot find a match on the stamp expert marks site.

The "AF" at the bottom right looks like an owner's mark to me.




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Posted 04/25/2022   4:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not believe that either one is an experts mark given the position. Are you sure that the "MU" mark is not graphite or lead?
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Posted 04/25/2022   5:03 pm  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for replying - yes, possibly could be a second owner's mark. Not sure whether pencil or not, don't want to disturb at this point.

Can you clarify your point on position? - I have stamps with expert's marks near the LL corner, that doesn't seem unusual.
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Posted 04/25/2022   5:11 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is a set of marking positions denoting particular things - a sort of expertisers' shorthand - and they tend to be more precisely sited than the "AF" on yours.
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Posted 04/25/2022   6:17 pm  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks - as I mentioned, I don't think the AF is an expert's mark, but rather an owner's mark. It's the other one I'm looking into.

Thanks! Greg
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Posted 04/25/2022   8:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Neither one has the placement of an expert's mark. If you look at real expert marks they are not placed upward from the corner like the "MU" mark. The placement has a method that is described here in the section titled "The Position Matters":

https://www.filatelia.fi/experts/index.html
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Posted 04/25/2022   10:33 pm  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That note re positioning seems to apply to German BPP marks. I have stamps with some French and Italian experts marks with various positions. A couple below.

In any event, I'll put the "MU" down as an owner's mark unless I can identify it at some point - thanks for replies!



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Posted 04/26/2022   07:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alka2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

the A F at the bottom right could be the initials of the dealer and expert Augusto Ferrara



http://giandri.altervista.org/0200/.../Ferrara.JPG

http://giandri.altervista.org/0200/....html#INDICE
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Edited by alka2 - 04/26/2022 07:57 am
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Posted 04/26/2022   08:09 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Greg - I think that M.Brun's mark, when centrally applied at the base, indicates unmounted mint.
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Posted 04/26/2022   09:25 am  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
GeoffHa - that's interesting, thanks for info. That stamp is mint no gum now but no trace of being hinged.

Alka2 - yes, that could be a match, I'll take a closer look. Thank you for link to the Italian expert's marks site - very useful - I have a couple other Italian stamps with unknown marks to check against it.
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Posted 04/26/2022   09:37 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When I have a minute, I'll scan the Maury guidance about positioning of marks. I don't move in these rarified zones myself.
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Posted 04/26/2022   10:24 am  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks - will also check my Maury and Sassone etc. for this kind of info. I don't move in rarified zones myself! all these have come as part of country collection lots. Always interesting the varieties, marks, rare cancels, errors not identified by the previous owner one can find in collection lots.
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