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Posted 10/23/2016   07:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommtomm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ha ... just found the postcard with the Berlin part.
I think it would make no sense at all to print or copy that thing and cut it, if you could get complete one for 3 USD on German ebay.

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Posted 10/23/2016   07:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Tomm,
I defer to your collective knowledge on Germany, however I do hold reservations
on, what I call, a dodgy postmark.

I have seen so many with the CDS ring terminate before the edge of the stamp,
this is typical of pre printing, for whatever reason.

If memory serves, I have seen Cambodia, Australia, Romania do a similar thing.

When I first saw the indicia, I had a feeling it was from a genuine card, but used for promotional purposes,

I have it in my album as a genuine Postcard mutilated stationery, as suggested by members here, but with a flag.

Here is an Australian example.
Not a stamp, basically a Cinderella
The stamp has been printed with a faux cancel, for Australia Post for their "Specimen" giveaway materials.

Postmarks that terminate on a flat card (as the Berlin card) can only happen
if there was subsidiary postage applied, it is impossible to give a quarter postmark strike.


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Edited by rod222 - 10/23/2016 07:42 am
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Posted 10/23/2016   08:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommtomm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod ... please forget about my general German stamp knowledge

Everything that goes beyond perfins is just searching, suggesting and asking my dear friend Michel. So I'm not in this Cancelled-to-order thing as well. But I try to help wherever I can ...

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Posted 10/23/2016   10:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

Here's the HuS perfin:



With regard to the Berlin postcard, as far as I know, these postcards were never printed with pre-applied postmarks like many CTOs.
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Posted 10/23/2016   10:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

Your Prussian oval cutout is from a postal stationery envelope, or Umschlag. The exact one is difficult to tell without the full envelope, but based on the date of use, probably MiNr U28.

The diagonal overprints were common on German postal stationery envelopes of the period. A rough translation of Michel's note regarding the overprints:


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In many old German covers, two-line overprint fonts were used as protection against counterfeiting.

The series of letters runs obliquely between the upper edge and the value imprint. With issues of Bavaria and some Prussian issues, it runs through the value imprint.

These security overprints pass over the entire printed sheet, from which the envelopes were later cut.
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Posted 10/23/2016   1:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thank you lads, all sorted, now to finish mounting.


Quote:
two-line overprint fonts were used as protection against counterfeiting.


That was good for the exercise in memory, for a worldwide collector,
I recalled another South American country whom did likewise.
after racking the grey matter, it turned out to be Venezuela.

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Posted 10/24/2016   3:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Can anyone explain what "3 degrees lower" means on this auction advice, please?

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Posted 10/24/2016   3:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommtomm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The position of the right "3" is a bit lower than the left one.

-> Rechte Wertziffer "3" im Aufdruck tieferstehend
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Posted 10/24/2016   3:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

The word "degrees" is just a bad translation. That plate flaw is that the right "3" in the overprint is slightly lower than the remainder.
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Posted 10/24/2016   6:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you boys,
I am surprised such a small difference, commands such a price £160.
I did read Michel, but I am lacking in translation skills.


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Posted 11/12/2016   10:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

I was looking back through this thread and realized I missed one of your questions. This one:



The cancel is a machine cancel known as a Reichspostdienstflagge (Reichspost's official flag) cancel.

There were three types of machines which printed this cancel -- one was very common, one was only used in Berlin, and the other was only used as a test machine. They're fairly easy to distinguish due to minor differences in the designs.

The Bickerdike machine was the most common, and it was used throughout Germany. It's also the type that printed the cancel on your stamp. Period of use was from about 1902-1913.


(click for larger version)

Here's a full copy.



The Columbia machine was used only in Berlin.


(click for larger version)

Here's a full copy.



Finally, there was a test machine made by Behling & Lübke which saw limited use in Berlin.


(click for larger version)

Here's a full copy.


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Posted 11/12/2016   11:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Sometimes, your posts are a work of art in themselves Jed.
Beautiful stuff.
I am sure you have influenced many a collector into Germany Issues.

Thank you.
Used for my Album Page.

Thank you also for the "AMG" Issues, just received in my PO Box.
Appreciated.
Some stuff heading you way, which you probably don't collect, but can give away or sell.

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Posted 11/23/2016   8:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Germany
Registration Label and Customs Declaration 2016

German Registration Fees are about half of Canadian.


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Edited by rod222 - 11/23/2016 8:18 pm
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Posted 02/08/2017   07:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For the record:

Unusual rarely seen German stamps / paper DNJ NSDAP
National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP)

DNJ
Deutsche National Jugendbund
Early Jugendbund der NSDAP-sub organization

Click on link to see vast array of Poster Stamps.

http://moonwheel.eu/dues%202/sub%20...%203/hj.html
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Edited by rod222 - 02/08/2017 07:17 am
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Posted 02/23/2017   7:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Dealers I have known.
Marktplatz Philatelie


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