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Canada / Sweden 2010 Marine Life Booklet Varieties

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Posted 10/20/2010   10:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A further note about the light and dark: some booklets seem to be not so dramatically visible as that pictured above. Some are closer to each other in depth of shade. I want to get some used ones and see what I can see with them also.



Another interesting oddity perhaps. Visible to the naked eye or, with poor eye-sight, a 4x to 8x magnifier!

These are the Harbour Porpoise's mother's tails (try saying that fast a few times!) from the booklet with serial number 039867. Interesting stuff happens in the 3x,xxx area seemingly.)

Scanned at 600 dpi, sorry for my poor aligning skills.

Row 1, column 1 and column 3

Row 2, column 1 and column 3.


On the left-hand two stamps the porpoise's tail sticks out past the frame edge, on the right-hand two stamps it does Not stick out.

Does this (and the post above about green waves) suggest that the stamps were printed not only with cylinders 1 and 2 and plates but with further types reduction to left and right blocks on each booklet?

Or perhaps, since I have not ventured too deeply into the plating aspect yet (counting dots of colour) this will become more apparent when the plates are known?

I personally would like to tell these stamps apart, one from another, by more visible means than dots, which requires the eyes of a teenager or a good scanner and the patience of Job.

On this same booklet (039867) the Sea Otter's mother's tail's hairs extending beyond the frame edge would be thought to be moved towards the left on the left-hand stamps, if the porpoise's had been. But they have seemed to stay pretty well the same as the right hand stamps.

Row 1, column 2 and column 4:


Row 2, column 2 and column 4:
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Posted 10/20/2010   11:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No extra blue dots or offset printing on the fronts (some on the backs) at the half of the booklets I have looked at so far (12+/-).
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Posted 10/22/2010   9:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Minesweeper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A big wow for Puzzler who sold a booklet for 212$ on ebay!1
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Posted 10/22/2010   9:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well done the Puzz!
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Posted 10/22/2010   9:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The booklet sold for $212.45 USD. This is (was) a booklet with a full dark counting mark on cover and a Blue 2.

I was and am amazed. These booklet collectors must know something I
don't. That wasn't my own booklet either but a good friend who I told about the booklets and had scooted about the twin cities here and scooped up a few here and there. I get to look at them all though.

Reward enough almost.
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Posted 10/22/2010   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, I just added the Sweden version of the joint FDC to a post back on page 8 of this thread.
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Posted 10/22/2010   9:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Minesweeper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
By the way, there is a mention of the blue 1 and 2 and serial number in the new Unitrade catalogue but no prices attached to them
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Posted 10/22/2010   9:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I saw that - very impressive Puzz! I am tempted to sell mine!
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Posted 10/22/2010   9:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Minesweeper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Bee See
I'll give you 10$ :)
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Posted 10/22/2010   10:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Minesweeper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Was the one with a blue 2 scarcer than let's say a blue 1 or a serial number?
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Edited by Minesweeper - 10/22/2010 10:11 pm
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Posted 10/22/2010   10:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
By the way, there is a mention of the blue 1 and 2 and serial number in the new Unitrade catalogue but no prices attached to them

Thank you. I was thinking I should nip off to the library tomorrow and check if they have the 2011 catalog yet and see what's what.
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Edited by Puzzler - 10/22/2010 10:04 pm
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Posted 10/22/2010   10:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
@Bee See
I'll give you 10$ :)


Good one. I will think about it for a while...NOT!

The tabs with the 1 and the control numbers are even rarer. Never seen them on ebay though.
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Posted 10/22/2010   11:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From our own calculations on this thread:
edit: actually our calculations are not these exactly. This is from Canada Post's email, see below more mention.

Serial ###### = 10% or 10/100 or 1/10 booklets (pagination number)
Cylinder Blue 1 = 10% or 10/100 or 1/10 booklets
Cylinder Blue 2 = 10% or 10/100 or 1/10 booklets
Cover Mark = 2% or 2/100 or 1/50 booklets (dark or medium full mark I would think)

The cylinder numbers (total) are thus on 20% of the booklets issued.

The 1's and 2's should be distributed evenly throughout the booklets and not have one or the other be rarer I should think. It all depends on where they were distributed (seemingly randomly, going by the chart on page 1) as to what appears on the market.

Going by the Canada Post email mentioned earlier (Page 9) in this thread, a serial numbered booklet has a 25% chance of having a 1 and 25% chance of having a 2, with 50% not having a cylinder number.

Serial + Cylinder 1 = 0.10 x 0.25 = 0.025 or 2-1/2% or 2.5/100 booklets if my math is correct.

Serial + Cylinder 2 = 0.10 x 0.25 = 0.025 or 2-1/2% or 2.5/100 booklets.

Cover Mark + Cylinder 1 = 0.02 x 0.10 = 0.002 or 0.2% or 2/1000 or 1/500, the same for mark + cylinder 2 or mark + serial.

Cover mark + cylinder 1 + serial - 0.02 x 0.10 x 0.25 = 0.0005 or .05% or 5/10,000 or 1/2000.

If the 0.25 number should be 0.10 instead then these will be much rarer. If my math is incorrect then it is all over and my home-built spaceship will not leave orbit and my molecules will glow with UV light and form the new constellation Puzzler seen in the Northern hemisphere (have to wear 3D glasses).

This all depends also on how many actual booklets with numbers on them in any form have been used for postage or sent to the UPU or destroyed as waste or for other reasons.
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Edited by Puzzler - 10/26/2010 05:14 am
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Posted 10/22/2010   11:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am definitely not an odds-maker type of math-genius person.
Please feel free to correct me on my maths. Willing to learn.

Any stated odds for stamps are just that, stated odds. The actual PAID price depends on other factors as I have read and seen about many previous issues.

Collector interest on this issue seems to be high for a few collectors anyway at this time, but that could be due to unknown factors also. Personal preference, etc, etc.

But, I like the stamps because they have so many varieties or colour shifts and numbers and possibilities. Historically for other stamps the ones that had more 'variations on a theme' have had the highest retained interest for collectors now and in the future. Or am I wrong on this? Perhaps some issues have.

The many variations and plates of the 1898 Canada Xmas Map issue comes to mind.

edit typos
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Edited by Puzzler - 10/22/2010 11:39 pm
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Posted 10/22/2010   11:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Minesweeper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have only one booklet with a cover mark..and it happens to be one with a blue 1. Not gonna put it on ebay...maybe I should. I don't think 200$+ is a realistic price for that booklet. Anyway, I'm a collector, not a seller, maybe if I had two of them I would sell one.
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