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Reorganizing My Australia Collection.

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Posted 04/06/2023   1:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patg23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
MCCCC is not a valid Roman numeral:
Why is the Roman numeral not valid? The letter C ( = 100) cannot repeat itself more than 3 times in a row.

MCCC = 1300
The last number seems circular.
I said frustrating because it was so close to being seen.
Maybe 130X - 136X 138X

Later I'll show a group of so close BNC's, but not completely readeable



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Posted 04/06/2023   1:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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MCCCC is not a valid Roman numeral:
Why is the Roman numeral not valid? The letter C ( = 100) cannot repeat itself more than 3 times in a row.


Not true.

Rare use, in Roman times the subtraction for 4 and 9 was not a rule.
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Edited by NSK - 04/06/2023 1:39 pm
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Posted 04/06/2023   1:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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MCCCC is not a valid Roman numeral:
Why is the Roman numeral not valid? The letter C ( = 100) cannot repeat itself more than 3 times in a row.


For Roman numerals, you wouldn't repeat the C four times, if you're using traditional subtractive notation. You might, if you're using the less common additive notation.

One public example is the inscription on London's Admiralty Arch:

ANNO DECIMO EDWARDI SEPTIMI REGIS / VICTORIĘ REGINĘ CIVES GRATISSIMI MDCCCCX

MDCCCCX in this case representing 1910, the tenth year of Edward VII's reign.

I'm not using the clock-face example (IIII) because there are other theories out there on that one.

Common or not, if it's what the cancel creators did, and I'm not saying it is, then it would be out there in the wild.

My 2d. IId.

ETA a quote, so it is clear to whom I am replying.
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Edited by Cjd - 04/06/2023 1:59 pm
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Posted 04/06/2023   2:01 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey, this guy tried to pass me a couple of old denarii.
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Posted 04/06/2023   2:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If there are twelve you have a sol.
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Posted 04/06/2023   2:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patg23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting to know in rare cases.
How about in the context of Victoria BNC's?
Pat
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Posted 04/06/2023   2:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The spacing and the curvature of that last symbol do not convince me it is a C. It could be one, but it must not be one.
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Posted 04/06/2023   2:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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How about in the context of Victoria BNC's?





[Not mine. Borrowed from the web.]
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Posted 04/06/2023   4:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find.

It is a number 1414 cancel.

MCCCC / 95 = 1495 = Carrum (Railway Station)
MD / 59 = 1559 = Springfield R.S.
MC / 24 = 1124 = St. Kilda R.S.
MCCCC / 85 = 1485 = Mount Hooghly

Information found on another stamp forum.
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Edited by NSK - 04/06/2023 4:41 pm
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Posted 04/06/2023   4:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patg23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice. Thanks for finding.
Pat
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Posted 04/06/2023   6:39 pm  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I spoke of the reality of Victorian barred numeral cancels, not the accepted theory around the presentation of Roman Numerals in other situations.
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Posted 04/06/2023   8:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patg23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Quote from my internet search
"MCCCC is not a valid Roman numeral"

I need to be more careful when relying on an internet search for information.
pat
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Posted 04/06/2023   8:10 pm  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
One of the problems with the internet is that you can't tell whether a quote is genuine or not

Abraham Lincoln
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Posted 04/07/2023   01:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patg23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
(Back to the business)
These are Melbourne related cancels:

When I first received, was only looking at the stamps and did not differentiate all the varieties. Went back some time later and started to organize.

Two I like are "Incorrect Franked Date" and "Tax & Rewrap Office"

Let me know if you see a favorite.

On to the Victoria Commonwealth town cancels and other.
Thanks,
pat












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Posted 04/09/2023   4:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add patg23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It seems all the Roo's are with the other book already shown; as with some of the KGV. Somehow these were left in the Victoria book.

Going back to the mountains for a few weeks. Thought I would show these before I left. Will finish the rest when I return.
Thanks,
pat













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