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Unknown Watermark On Grenada Queen Victoria 1p Green

 
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Posted 10/09/2022   12:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Willwood42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I was looking at the watermark on this stamp



And this is it, double line reading OST upward



I have seen watermark mismatch with QV stamps from New South Wales which were likely forgeries

Does anyone recognize this watermark or know of forgeries of this stamp?
The forgeries for this stamp on stampforgeries.com are much cruder

ps. does anyone know how to make the images smaller

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Edited by Willwood42 - 10/09/2022 12:58 pm

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Posted 10/09/2022   1:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is part of the border sheet paper wmk.
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Posted 10/09/2022   1:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Trainwreck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps a papermaker's watermark?

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Posted 10/09/2022   1:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think there is nothing wrong with the size of the pictures, however, it would be nice if you could change to scans so the pictures are in better focus. Some of us are older, and we have trouble seeing pictures as it is


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Posted 10/09/2022   3:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Willwood42 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you perf12 and Robert. That makes sense. -david

So would that then make this Grenada 1, i.e. unwatermarked.

Peter, when the quality of the image is important, I do try to use my scanner. In this case the watermark was pretty obvious and the camera in the phone is so much quicker.
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Posted 10/09/2022   3:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perf12 is correct. It is part of the word 'POSTAGE' that occured in the margin.

It is a displaced watermark. Actually, the stamp is displaced.
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Edited by NSK - 10/09/2022 3:37 pm
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Posted 10/09/2022   5:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Chalon is far and away the most attractive profile of Queen Victoria.
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Posted 10/09/2022   5:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a pic of the postage wmk in a block.Premiums with margin wmks.
pic from Spink & son auction 5 may 2021 lot 659

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Posted 10/09/2022   10:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Willwood42 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting example NSK. And since you can also see the star watermark in your image, it is clear that the margin watermark was independent of the stamp watermark. I will have to look closer to see if there is any hint of an additional watermark.
Does anyone know if the unwatermarked Grenada 1 also had a margin watermark?
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Posted 10/10/2022   01:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
perf12 posted the pic.

Unwatermarked stamps can occur in three ways: the paper was not watermarked (intentional), the sheet was fed into the printing press in a way the images of some stamps were printed exactly between watermarks, the dandy roll was broken (i.e., a watermark was intended).

The Grenada SG1 is of the first type.
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Posted 10/10/2022   09:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Willwood42 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry about that perf12. Thank you for the picture.

NSK: would Grenada SG1 ever come with the margin watermark that we have been talking about, or was the entire sheet unwatermarked?
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Posted 10/10/2022   09:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am not familiar with the issue, but I cannot imagine the 'POSTAGE' watermark in the margins of the mill sheet, but no further watermark for the printed area. the way SG edits catalogues, SG1 'no watermark' must have been printed on unwatermarked paper and cannot be a displaced printing.
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Posted 10/10/2022   09:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This thread:
https://goscf.com/t/71117

depicts the entire sheet (scroll down a bit). This sheet is for a Barbados issue but it may be the same for Grenada.
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Posted 10/10/2022   12:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Willwood42 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, thank you to both NSK & Germania. Without the watermark, identification hinges on the more subjective considerations of color (green vs deep green) and perforations (rough vs clean cut).
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