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Help With Unidentified Perfs On Victoria Sg376, 1/2d Bluish Green

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Posted 10/30/2022   8:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Solved (apparently)

Brusden White Page 1/244

Chris' block of 4 look like State 3 (triangles are light light)

Exist in single line perf 12.4
V19
Wmk always to the right

and single line perf 11
V20
wmk always to the right

Single line perf 12.4 x 11

Single line perf 11 x 12.4

Mixed single line perfs 11 and 12.4

Conclusion, this tiny stamp is a ornery little fella.



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Bedrock Of The Community
Australia
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Posted 10/30/2022   8:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Chris,
if you post a good scan of your original stamp
I'll see if we can ID it accurately
Check Wmk (and orientation) and Thick or thin paper?

Looks like you were right all along!

Usage: Intrastate and Interstate newspaper rate up to 10oz
except queensland up to 2 oz
and intrastate magazine rate up to 2oz

Note: this little stamp can vary from $1 to $500
Plate proof $1500
First day cover $2,500

So be accurate
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Edited by rod222 - 10/30/2022 8:18 pm
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Posted 10/31/2022   06:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chris.evans to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks All,

Wow - I went to bed (in UK) and came back to find all this detail!

Yes the block I posted is 12.4 x 12.4 on the outer edges.

I'll try and get some scans done of the other chap later today, and check watermark / paper.

Chris
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Posted 10/31/2022   2:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chris.evans to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scans of the stamp in my original post:





Watermark is sideways 'V', so presumably V over crown (W85 in SG). The paper is what I would call normal.

I thought I would compare with the only other one of these that I have; here is the side by side scan. Note the difference in size and shade.



I thought I would make sure I was using the Instanta gauge correctly, and to my shame I wasn't, at least not so much as to be accurate to the 1/10th or so of a perf. I should have read the instructions.

I now know the correct approach is to line up the leftmost guide line so it goes through the middle of the tooth at the top left and bottom left, and then lines should go through top teeth, lining up with the last on the top right. However this moves my stamp's perfs even further away from Brusden's exact 12.2.



And here's the thing. The other stamp, blast it, doesn't have the 'right' perfs either.


(Sorry for the blurred picture)

It's tricky to get the teeth lined up, and in the second example it shows misalignment with some of the first few, and alignment then comes back again to the later ones, showing that the pins were not perfectly placed. But neither are anywhere near 12.2. In fact now I look they seem closer to each other.

The fact that there two stamps with a differnt perf from that stated in the books means that:
a) I have coincidentally and highly improbably managed to find two stamps with previously unknown perforation types;
b) I am still making a fundamental error in how I am using the Instanta;
c) Brusden, Kellow and Stanley Gibbons are all wrong (or shall I say 'inexact'); and/or
d) As per the quote from Rod "Perforation is an inexact science", and in the case of this type of stamp, a very inexact science; as my two stamps have different perfs, maybe it's just fairly common with these ones to have variations in perforations.

So I think $1 not $2500

Chris
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Posted 10/31/2022   3:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Chris,
here is your stamp ($2)

1901 "No Postage" Issue
Date of Issue 29th January 1901
Printer Victorian Govt Printinting Office, Melbourne
Designer : William Bell (First Issued 1874)

Paper: Watermarked V over Crown
Exist : Watermark Sideways to Left
Exist : Watermark sideways to the Right

Brusden White V1 ½d
A Blue-Green
B Deep Blue Green

V1a Watermark sideways to Right $2

V1c "VICTRIA" Error $4 $2

Perforation : 12.2 x 12.4 comb across horiz pairs
vert line between pairs Perf 12.4 line.

POSTMARK : WARRACKNABEEL or WARRACKNABEEL R.S.


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Edited by rod222 - 10/31/2022 3:12 pm
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Posted 10/31/2022   3:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chris.evans to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Rod,

That's the one. Good call on the postmark, I would never have worked it out.

Still a mystery to me why I have it as 12.9 x 12.4 and Brusden has it as 12.2 x 12,4, but I think I answered my own question.

Many thanks for your time again.

Chris
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Posted 10/31/2022   10:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

For our amusement,
Ephemera from the United States, (Not mine)
Pedants may notice the error, it was really the Third earliest.
These bantams began with Bell design in 1874 in a Rosine colour.
Then came the "no postage"
Then came the "postage"


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Posted 11/01/2022   10:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Linus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Quoting Rod from above...


Quote:
Usage: Intrastate and Interstate newspaper rate up to 10oz
except Queensland up to 2 oz
and intrastate magazine rate up to 2oz


In addition, this stamp was also commonly used on picture postcards mailed from Australia to other countries of the world. Scanned below are three postcards from my collection...

Linus



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Bedrock Of The Community
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Posted 11/01/2022   4:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting Linus,
had not seen these used before as postage, or make-up rate.
Thanks.
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