Help Differentiating German Empire Germania Peacetime Vs Wartime 50 PF.

I'm trying to learn to tell the difference between the peacetime and wartime printings of the Germania stamp.

There are a couple of good past threads in this forum and also my Michel guide is helpful but I'm still not sure.

I have these two 50 pf and am wondering if the one on the right which seems to have heavier detail is the wartime printing? Thanks for your help.

Did you check "Big Blue" and "Stamp collecting world" sites? It might help.

Mainer, you should be using the "search" function on this forum. Search for "Germania series" and you get a bunch of hits. Example: https://goscf.com/t/48124&whichpage=1&


Peter

Hi
I have the same problem.
In my opinion the stamp on the left is Mi 76 (paper without watermark) and the stamp on the right is peacetime Mi 91 I (paper with Wz1 watermark)

Thanks cupram - I should have mentioned, they are both have the lozenges watermark.

I think you guys should get a expert who has those stamps ,than guess trying to I.D. those stamps . Maybe someone who has dated stamps or other reference points .

If no dates are aviable and I wanted to be positive ,I would get my copies of the French occupation stamps to match up for the war time printings ,It goes to say the occupation stamps of France would be the war time stamps .

Peace printing on left, war printing on right.

Thank you "floortrader" for the idea of using French occupation stamps as a reference for war printing ; unfortunately the 50 pf stamp was not used.
Another identifying of the war print is the subsequent obliteration of the month of March/April 1915.
Whoever owns a large batch of 50 pf stamps (not my case) can observe the characteristics mentioned in Michel: Print peace – Clear, clean print, cleanly defined lines, silky, shiny colors ; Satin-finished, glossy paper ; watermark clearly recognizable ; white gum, matt glossy, finely brushed.
War Print – Blurred, unclear print image, drawing often interrupted, dull colors (very glossy in the first roller prints) ; dull,rough paper ; Wz.unclear, not always recognizable ; Gum glossy to high gloss.
I noticed that on your "peace/war" stamps the center is black.
The stamp on the left posted by "Mainer" has a brown-black center on a brown-orange mat different from the one on the right which is black.
Hence my hypothesis that it is Mi 76 issued in 1902 on paper without watermark.
On the stamp on the right (at the resolution of the post) I did not notice the characteristics of the war print (but that depends on experience - which is not the case for me)
I found on another site (at a better resolution) a printed war stamp:

CUPRAM ----- Here is a better scan of the two issues both the early peace issue and the later war issue .

About the brown black center I have no idea what that is .Maybe a different paper was used ?

Hi FLOORTRADER
Thanks for the image which I think exemplifies very well the 3 types of 50pf stamps mentioned in Michel.
The stamp on the right (brown black center) is Mi 76 (on paper without watermark and matte brown orange color)
The year 1904 of the cancellation excludes it being Mi 91 (on paper with watermark Wz.1- -which was issued starting with the year 1906 )
I tried to reproduce the mentions in Michel for the 3 types of 50pf stamps.



The years in which they were issued are mentioned, which can help to identify stamps with clear obliterations. For Michel 91 I (peace print) and 91 II (war print) paper of different colors "x" and "y" was used and for those who know how to identify them, the catalog values are very different.
What I found out about these papers is that "x" appears yellowish and "y" reddish.
Floortrader - It is obvious that the first 2 stamps have different colored paper, but I honestly don't know which is "x" and which is "y".

Thanks CUPRAM , I will write up a new page for my album and used the information you posted . Thanks again .

Hi FLOORTRADER
I hope to see these new album pages posted.
I thank you once again for the posts - I checked in the Michel catalog and noticed that the overprinted stamp block 40 cents on 30 Pf (French occupation) is a war print on type "x" paper.
I have this stamp and will use it as a reference for the "x" type paper.

Hello.
These are my German Germanías sheets. I do them ALL, but I'm still far from having half.
They reflect my criteria, so there may be errors.
Regards.

Nice display ROBERTO , like your write up .