Need To Be Identify Shape Of UK Postmark

I could not find same one unusual SHAPE OF UK PM.
# of PM may be 860 or D98
I checked PM of these places They have common UK shape PM.May be it is Local issue of PM? ANY IDEA WELCOME.Thanks

Not seen before.
860 is WELLINGTON SOMERSET

This has to be correct, Mutilated stationery shows EGERTON BURNETT'S
ROYAL SERGES

Wellington (beautiful) Somerset.

PERFIN Egerton Burnette

Yes ,You approved #860. Thanks.It is very good approving of #860
As I guessed early one of ## is 860 . Sure I have found the WELLINGTON SOMERSET PM, But I checked the shapes of PM was using at WELLINGTON SOM (attached pictures) .They are common shapes .The shape of my partial stationery picture is dramatically different. It is problem of my researching .Nobody could solve it up today.Any ideas ??

Forgery.

Shall be interesting to see if the OP places this on ebay
and how it is described.

It is of my opinion, the entire item is faux.
A nice pristine stamp of 1912 on a fresh looking postcard piece
with a cancellation not seen anywhere with cursory searches

This smacks of a touristy postcard, engineered to look genuine.

Have come across them before with Georians on Titanic postcards
and US stamps on similar cards.

Alas, the research is confusing with any history of Egerton Burnette
One source dictates that after WW1 Egerton, after losing two large shipments of cloth, went into voluntary liquidation.

Another geneology link had a gentleman working for Egerton until 1981
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I am tempted to agree with your suggestion the cancellation is a forgery. It looks like a fantasy item.

The stamp, by the way, was not issued until 16 January 1913.

The cancel is missing some elements of a real barred oval used in duplex cancels.

Unlike the barred cancels - named because it is made up from bars - this is an oval with bars in the oval. The parts between the bars is then very uneven. Even if, like this ebay dealer claims, it was made locally, it is questionable someone bothered to cut out the blank spaces within the oval, when it would have cost much less effort to just cut out straight spaces to make the bars.

It looks like the cancel above the black line that crosses it, only is on the stamp. There is no trace of ink between the perforation tips. There is, however, some ink flowing upward from the lower part of the cancel.

The line across the cancel bends down to the right. A vertical line comes out from under the stamp on the right that bends to the right. To the left, there is no trace of the box. If there was a box, it was too narrow for a very standard stamp format. That all would be unlikely if it was part of a pre-printed box for affixing a stamp.

The pattern in the cancel itself on both the stamp and the card is very consistent. If this is due to wear, it should not be so consistent. If it is due to the carrier, it should not show the same pattern on the stamp and the card.

Good brain attack. On the basis of attacks and the picture of perfin. I guess I found the answer by changing word "fantasy' to " pre-cancel ".
The promotional cards was sending in large quantities therefore this is a pre-cancellation - "a private security sign" like "perfin" on stamps or security mark on British Hong Kong stamps to avoid theft of stamps from company postcards. Apparently this pre-cancel was put with the consent of the post office before the postcard got to the post office. Maybe the experience of such a pre-cancel was unsuccessful and postal advertising cards are little known with such a pre-cancel.

Nonsense!

There were no such pre-cancels.




The only correct thing in your post. The little they are known is exactly NOT. They did not exist in this format.

It, almost certainly, is a fantasy item.

I have an open mind,
If you can, with due scholarship, reveal your sources, of such Information
I would be delighted to learn more about British Postal History.

Until then, I can only imagine you have plucked this out of thin air.

If I find another card like this, I'll show it to you.
It's hard for me to imagine a forger that would spend time on this worthless seal. Especially since I'm sure if I hadn't pointed seal out everybody would have missed its non-standard form.To recognize this shape is non-standard,I researched many special articles about British post offices seal.
Thanks you for attention and understanding.

There is no commercial use of a pre-cancel known after the Victorian era. Those known relate to either the foreign branch or newspaper branch and identify the user by initials.
A pre-cancel would be identifiable and this is not. It suggests, a few decades late it is a post-office cancel.
What remains is the pattern of diagonal lines that raises a question about the material the stamp was made of, if it was not just printed.

There were Numeric Barred Killers for the above,
3-3-3-3

Their numeric range was 1-15 (except 9)
and 52-74 (excepting 66)

The NPB used 52-74 (except 66)
Others used elsewhere

Bib: Curt N Fernau BDph, GB/CWPS

Translated from German by P E Robinson FRPSL




Without source references, your words are meaningless.

There is no barred numeral for Wellington that looks like this. They were using duplexes from 1871 to 1905.

Likewise, there is no barred numeral for D98 Pentre that looks like this. They were using duplexes from 1887.

I'm with Rod & NSK. It's a forgery.

Rod,

The relation is not so much they used the cancels of the branches, but were sent through those branches or maybe even pre-cancelled there. Some looked like those cancellations but were identifiable

The best known uses were stationers sending newspapers.

William Dawson and Sons used precancels with their initials 'DSF' in a cancel that is reminiscent of the 'NPB in barred oval' cancel of the newspaper branch. (See second link)

https://www.gb-precancels.org/#:~:t...20in%201865.

https://www.gb-precancels.org/DSF.html#Top

Yes, I was just quoting Printed Matter Postmarks.
Steve Panting does some great work (Your Links)

I had one strange one years ago when I found a "BS" killer,
Turns out it was Bradford Street
Why that office held a printed matter canceller is a mystery (Fernau)

Where the idea came up for an 860 as a precancel, is beyond me.

Conclusion: Any dispute, although not everyone wants it "NSK", brings closer to the truth:
1. Confirmed No. 860"
2.Convinced me that it was "pre-cancel"
3. Reminded me of my old friend Steve Panting.
Thanks to everyone especially rod222 !!!
Below is the correspondence with Steve Panting about this cancellation.
My Email:Hi Steve ,
Maybe it's interesting for you.
A couple of years ago I bought a strange cropped postcard.
The product was in bulk and I did not immediately recognize it.
Part of the postcard has non-standard cancellation #860 /WELLINGTON SOMERSET/ on an attached stamp. (I have researched many articles of British cancellation).
The cut postcard is part of EGERTON BURNETT' SROYAL SERGEI promotional postcards.
Unexpectedly, this non-standard cancellation a lot of controversy.
I think it's not a fake, but it may be a preliminary cancellation of the firm to avoid theft.
I attached file.
Your opinion ,please
Thanks
Steve Panting Answer:
It sounds to me like a lot of these were sent out at once.
Have a look at this page, about 805 of the way down under "Precancel usage of 'Normal' postmarks" :
https://gb-precancels.org/Public.html

#860 is not on the known list, but the cancel looks like a cloth was over it when used (to minimise use of the ink pad) and the back
of the card (which is probably quite thick) has what may be an offset.
In other words, it looks like the cancel was in fact a pre-cancel.