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Posted 12/15/2022   10:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I repeat: "NONSENSE."


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According to John H. Chandler & H. Dagnall in the book mentioned above:
"The provincial papers, on the other hand, were chiefly for local readers and there was little need for a provincial post office to provide special obliterators for precancelling newspapers. Instead, some of the normal newspaper cancellers were used for this purpose, but with the time omitted. Other provincial towns have used the normal numbered barred oval killer to precancel newspapers. The following are known to have been used in this way."


Your cancel was not used on a newspaper.
Your cancel was not used by a stationer sending out newspapers.
Your cancel was not a 'normal' cancel used by the post office.

From the top of the same page


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The Post Office came up with a scheme whereby Publishers and News Agents sent in wrappers (addressed or un-addressed) early in the day for pre-cancelling, so they could then be taken back, sorted for the different routes and then used to enclose the papers when available to be put in mailbags and sealed by a Postal Official. As an inducement, the pre-cancelled mail would be accepted for posting later than for ordinary mail.

This proposal was laid before the Provincial Newspaper Society during their annual meeting at the Crystal Palace on 10/5/1870 and accepted. There was also provision when necessary for a post office clerk to take the pre-canceller to the customers' premises to stamp the wrappers there.


We are not talking about newspapers that were covered by the scheme.

You are taking words form your "friend" and conveniently ignore the 95% of the text that tells you postcards and wool were not covered by the scheme.

You also very conveniently refer to the use of "normal cancels" to be able to link it to pre-cancelling practice when this cancel is not "normal," as it was never used by that post office.

Also note that a pre-cancel is not the same as pre-cancelling.


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but the cancel looks like a cloth was over it when used (to minimise use of the ink pad)


Now it gets ridiculous.
Did you read that in a philatelic web post of the Grimm brothers?
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Edited by NSK - 12/15/2022 10:47 am
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Netherlands
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Posted 12/15/2022   10:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you are considering bending the truth to your greed by arguing the same could have been done with large mailings:

Yesteryear's newspaper had little use, so sending it out as soon as possible made sense. A publicity card from a fabrics seller did not have the slightest urgency,
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Edited by NSK - 12/15/2022 10:56 am
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Posted 12/15/2022   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also, sending such cards was normal, without there being any indication they were sent in bulk.

https://robertdanzig.co.uk/product/...ington-1930/
https://www.ebay.com/itm/373582592424

As Bobby De La Rue posted, the use of the duplex stopped in 1905. Note also the consistent use of a CDS by this post office.

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Edited by NSK - 12/15/2022 11:20 am
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United States
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Posted 12/15/2022   12:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add archiguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


This pre-cancel have been added below at Steve Panting website
https://gb-precancels.org/Public.html#PP_Prov





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Posted 12/15/2022   2:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cloth cancels were actually a thing, to minimise damage to the contents of parcels.

If the item is not a forgery, it's a novelty.
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Posted 12/15/2022   3:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add archiguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Please , GO to the beautiful Website to research "Pre-cancel" of UK:
https://gb-precancels.org/Public.html#PP_Prov
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Australia
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Posted 12/15/2022   4:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I followed your link archiguy and scrolled down just a little to see a nice array of Queen Victoria stamps.

I've already stated when this type ceased to be used at Wellington. It was before George 5th ascended.
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Posted 12/15/2022   5:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Archiguy, can you tell us where you spot this precancel? I looked at the link. but do not see your specific item >


Peter
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United States
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Posted 12/15/2022   5:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add archiguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Scroll down after Queen Victoria.
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Posted 12/15/2022   6:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Peter,
The linked page loads VERY slow, it is towards the very bottom of the page. Click on the link, go get a cup of coffee or tea, and you can probably then see it.

The OP has gotten it added to the site, I am unsure of how much vetting was done before adding it or if it was simply added by the website developer.
Don
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