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Deception Of Regummed And Reperforated Stamps

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Posted 01/03/2023   05:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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A stamp that has a PSE or PF graded certificate will not be regummed or reperfed.

At some time in the fairly recent past, this was undoubtedly true. But within the past year I received a PSE cert with a grade of 98 ... and it clearly stated that the stamp had been regummed!
Added: IMO it should most definitely still be true!
Added: For those who are interested, the cert # is 1410474.
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Posted 01/03/2023   07:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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But within the past year I received a PSE cert with a grade of 98 ... and it clearly stated that the stamp had been regummed!


98???
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Posted 01/03/2023   08:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
JLL - Thanks for sharing that. According to PSE's own guidelines the point deduction for regumming would make it mathematically impossible to assign a 98. There are already many that abhor grading and boneheaded moves like this don't help.
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Posted 01/03/2023   09:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I guess guidelines have changed:
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Posted 01/03/2023   09:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Color : Black ?
Wow, I see it is, image looks green to me.
"Mint" and "Regummed" is that acceptable now in US philately?

So with a nicely preserved, unmarked face stamp, and hinged
turn it from a "used / lightly hinged" to a "Mint regummed"

Curious, when re-gumming, do they remove any previous gum first?


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Posted 01/03/2023   10:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a 2021 cert for the same issue, with a description that's a little less murky:
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Posted 01/03/2023   10:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rhett to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
PSE has stated for years now that they consider "regummed" to be a gum condition equivalent to the "no gum" gum condition. Their reasoning is that if the regumming is removed by soaking from a regummed stamp there is no tangible difference between the gum condition of that stamp and a "no gum" stamp. So they do not consider regumming as a fault and hence it doesn't affect the grade of a stamp. I'm not saying that I agree with this but am just explaining why you can have a graded PSE cert for a regummed stamp. I do not know the PF's stance on regummed stamps and grading.
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Posted 01/03/2023   11:19 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But doesn't the total absence of gum on what should be a gummed stamp reduce the grading, which, if I correctly understand American practice, is supposed to covef all aspects of a stamp?
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Posted 01/03/2023   12:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi GeoffHa,
As far as I know, there is no commonly accepted 'grading standard' in philately. Every person/organization/company/random ebay seller can develop their own criteria and assign whatever numeric grading value they wish.
Don

Edit: I assume that it is up to the buyer to understand where the grade came from and what criteria was used in assigning it.
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Posted 01/03/2023   12:51 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ah, thank you. I'd been under the impression that PSE took the whole shebang into account when coming up with its numbers.
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Posted 01/03/2023   12:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My understanding of the PF and grading is that if the stamp is listed in Scott as no gum, then it could get a grade. If it is not listed in no gum condition then it is thought of as a fault and would not get a grade.
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Posted 01/03/2023   1:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add caspian65 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 612 re-gum cert example appears that "98" is the apparent "centering" grade. I would also assume it would be valued the same as a no-gum stamp, which in the case of a 612 is pennies. Assigning a grade to a re-gum stamp does no good at all and the expertizing services do a disservice to collectors by doing so. Graded certificates ought to be more descriptive in how the score was calculated.

In regards to the original topic of the post, re-gum stamps can find their way into "collections" or lots offered at auctions or for sale to incorrectly pump up catalog value. There is only one reason for re-gumming (or re-perforating) stamps, which is profit-oriented deception.
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Posted 01/03/2023   5:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The certificate is an error. There is not even a pricing category for regummed stamps. Your choice is previously hinged, or mint never hinged. A case of really bad QA/QC.
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Posted 01/03/2023   5:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Their choice is whatever they want it to be. And they made it.
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Posted 01/03/2023   6:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK Bart, then you tell me what value to use from the SMQ. Waiting......
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