599 Vs 599B Confirmation

Pretty sure this is just a garden variety 599 not a 599b but would like a second opinion

That is quite a bold line pair, but something looks off about the center perforations.

599b is Carmine Lake which this is not. 599A is a type II which this is not.

RE: That is quite a bold line pair, but something looks off about the center perforations.

Yes, I was sorta curious about that too. No explaination for that I know of

RE: 599b is Carmine Lake which this is not. 599A is a type II which this is not.

So I am not good with colors, what is the difference between Carmine and Carmine lake? Any pictures of them I can see?

Yoi can search to your hearts content here:

https://siegelauctions.com/lot_lkp.php

It is!

599 is a "rotary"coil printed on two half-cylinder plates joined together to make a complete cylinder. The "line" on the finished coil is caused by ink accumulating in the small gap between the two plates. Sometimes the paired-up plates fit together better than others, thus the line might be extremely thin or as wide as that in the original post. Here are 4 line pairs I had handy which show considerable variation in the line-width. All quite normal.


Similarly, sometimes the stamp images don't quite align across the gap. Note the left stamp is quite a bit lower than the right stamp on this pair:

Nice pictures, John Becker. While at least two of your examples are quite thick, neither span the entirety of the perf hole which is the case of the example of the original poster.

One of the few times I can 'one up' JohnB...

Here is a very rare 599/599A used line pair (one of a handful known) that I purchased at my local club meeting auction. No one there recognized its rarity and I got it for a song..
Don

Geza - Just for clarity was it the color you were asking about or the type?

Not quite. It does not need to be a Type II to be a carmine lake. Carmine Lake is a listed variety of 599 which is designated as 599b. Unless I am misunderstanding you.

The line does not mean it is rare but it is a joint line pair which carries a premium over a regular pair.

@rodgcam: As you are probably aware I am new to all of this. My original question was if it was a 599 or 599b, you commented it was a 599 not a 599A or 599b.

So, if it is a 599, then from what I understand the 599b is a type I in color Carmine Lake version and the 599A is a 599 type II. So the answer to your question

"Geza - Just for clarity was it the color you were asking about or the type?"

is the same and both I think. If it is a 599 then I alread now know it is a type I and s not Carmine Lake.

My last question in the thread was asking if anyone had a picture of one of each so I can learn what the difference is between Carmine and Carmine Lake. 51Studebaker showed a 599/599A and both of those are Carmine and neither is Carmine Lake. So I still don't know the differnce between the 2 colors. Is there a stamp that is Carmine Lake and has no Carmine (not Lake) brother that I might have so I can see?

But now furthermore I see comments about the red line in between the perfs. It seems some are suggesting that is some kind of rarity. Could that be? is this more valuable since it has such a thick ink line on the perf?

Geeza - I gave you a link in one of my posts above where you can go and search for carmine lake 599's.

A thick joint line does not carry a premium. They come in all thicknesses.

Here is a Carmine Lake 599b from the Siegel site:

It certainly seems mine is less deep red than that. I just tried that site too. Are those prices what they got for a stamp or a collection of stamps they sold in?

The prices realized are per auction lot so if the price is associated with one stamp, yes that is the price they "got". Siegel tends to auction very high-quality material.

https://www.stampcommunity.org/topi...PIC_ID=39434

The SCF search tool is often quite helpful.
Don