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USPS To "Abandon" Items With Counterfeit Postage

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Posted 02/16/2023   05:12 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add revenuecollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
(emphasis added)

Umm... this seems like a system ripe for abuse. No mention that either sender or recipient will actually be notified that an item is "abandoned" although the last bolded portion implies that the sender will be notified although the devil is in the details. Will the USPS have to PROVE that the stamps are counterfeit? Will the item be held pending resolution or immediately disposed of, meaning the sender will never have any appeal or recourse to that determination.

"Uhh.... no we didn't lose (or steal) your parcel. It... uhh... had counterfeit stamps on it! Yeah, that's the ticket!"


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USPS Warns the Public About Surge In Use of Counterfeit Postage
Postal Service Files Federal Register Notice to Address Issue

WASHINGTON — In recent years, a surge in the use of counterfeit postage has been found in the mail stream. The intentional use, or sale, of counterfeit postage is a crime because it seeks to obtain services without payment. This activity reflects an intentional effort to defraud the Postal Service of the funds it needs to provide services to the public.

In response to this problem, the Postal Service is filing a federal register notice about changes to the Mailing Standards of the United States Postal Service, Domestic Mail Manual (DMM®), that will allow the Postal Service to treat items found in the mail stream bearing counterfeit postage as abandoned. "As the most trusted government agency in the nation, we will continue to work together with other law enforcement and government agencies to protect the sanctity of the mail," said Chief Postal Inspector Gary Barksdale.

The Postal Service's proposed changes will provide the public notice of the handling of items bearing counterfeit postage. Under the revision to DMM 604.8.4, articles found in the mails with counterfeit postage will be considered abandoned and may be opened and disposed of at the Postal Service's discretion. The mission of the Postal Service and the Postal Inspection Service is to ensure the safety, security, and integrity of the U.S. Mail. The implementation of these new regulations will continue to support and enhance this mission.

Counterfeit postage is any marking or indicia that has been made, printed, or otherwise created without authorization from the Postal Service that is printed or applied, or otherwise affixed, on an article placed in the mails that indicates or represents that valid postage has been paid to mail the article. Consumers purchasing online items may be surprised to find out that the vendor mailed their goods using counterfeit postage. Under the new regulations, such items will be considered abandoned and disposed of at the Postal Service's discretion. When this occurs, consumers will have to seek recourse from the vendor.

Public comments can be mailed or delivered on or before March 15, 2023, to: Manager, Product Classification, U.S. Postal Service, 475 L'Enfant Plaza SW, Room 4446, Washington, DC 20260-5015. If sending comments by email, include the name and address of the commenter and send to PCFederalRegister@usps.gov, with a subject line of "Counterfeit Postage." Faxed comments are not accepted. All submitted comments and attachments are part of the public record and subject to disclosure. Do not enclose any material in your comments that you consider to be confidential or inappropriate for public disclosure.



My email inquiry to the comments address above:


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Good morning,

Regarding the press release stating that items deemed to have counterfeit postage affixed will be "abandoned", there is no mention of either a notification or appeals process. How and when will a sender be notified that a parcel was determined to have counterfeit postage affixed and will the parcel be held pending appeal or immediately disposed of?

If the latter, this system is ripe for abuse, to cover pilferage or lost/delayed parcels, that they instead magically had counterfeit postage affixed... but there is no way for the sender to challenge that determination.

Also, given that the quality of these Chinese counterfeit stamps have improved greatly in recent years to now include luminescent tagging, what level of technical proficiency and accuracy will be required of the USPS personnel making such determinations?

Thank you,
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Posted 02/16/2023   05:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This sounds like theft to me.
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Posted 02/16/2023   06:21 am  Show Profile Check johnsim03's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add johnsim03 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Preliminary measure before implementing bar codes?!

Time to dump all that old postage before it is invalidated?!

Just speculating...

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Posted 02/16/2023   06:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Western Australia 2020
Alleged counterfeiter.
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Posted 02/16/2023   08:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Washington just refuses to deal with the root cause of the problem, China. Same with Fentanyl. Why?!

So everyone must pay the price. Many do not realize they have counterfeit postage. This will IMO opinion will not withstand a legal challenge based upon illegal search and seizure.


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Can Postal Inspectors open mail if they feel it may contain something illegal? First-Class letters and parcels are protected against search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, and, as such, cannot be opened without a search warrant.


https://www.uspis.gov/wp-content/up...PIS-FAQs.pdf
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Posted 02/16/2023   08:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In the US, the Dead Letter Office has been opening mail since 1777.
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Posted 02/16/2023   08:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I predict a lot of collector mail being "abandoned" because the sender used older stamps or stamps from souvenir sheets that the postal workers don't recognize as being valid postage.
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Posted 02/16/2023   08:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Because it is "dead" (undeliverable) as presented. This is about deliverable mail that will be opened and the contents viewed and discarded. The two cases are apples and oranges. So a machine flags a stamp rightly or wrongly and the contents are now fair game? I don't think so.
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Posted 02/16/2023   08:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After the legal fight .........they will go back to the system that worked for over the past 150 years ........Just add a POSTAGE DUE sticker/stamp and collect the money on delivery . Get one or two of those and you will not do business with the person using fake stamps .

Marked the mail and have the receiver come to the post office to pick it up and PAY for it . End of problem.
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Posted 02/16/2023   08:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This could have a chilling affect on the market for some modern face postage. Direct USPS purchase would be your only 100% safe bet for genuine postage.
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Posted 02/16/2023   10:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wtcrowe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The USPO needs to police the internet to remove sellers of counterfeit stamps.

See - USPOST.TOP . It is clearly selling counterfeit stamps and I have seen their ads in multiple places.
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Posted 02/16/2023   11:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldboldandbrash to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Arguably I am quite sick of ebay sellers selling forever stamps that are dubious in nature and despise that dealers expect to buy forever stamps at below face to then sell at or above face, I wouldn't mind seeing a blow to them where they'd actually need to go to the post office to purchase issues for future stock and investment. It's a little unfair that they just sit waiting for some bozo to come to a show and sell them their grandfather's 2000$ postage lot for $500. No more. However at the same time I buy a lot of discount postage. What if I was to accidentally buy a counterfeit sheet? My items would then just be tossed? I agree with the postage due idea. I've never in my life received a postage due item. Gee thanks USPS! Will we have to just start checking every stamp? But not all stamps are tagged so how would the USPS even know? And where are they expecting to catch items? When they're shooting down the stream at 100 mph or only at the clerk's window? Would the clerk mention you're using counterfeit postage or would they simply toss it after you leave? Oh this item was registered with a value of 200$? The postage definitely looks fake to me!
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Posted 02/16/2023   11:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As with drugs (admittedly that war has not worked out well) you need to stop the flow. The stamps from China are coming in bulk through our airport and port cargo shipments. Going after the sellers is a losing whack-a-mole proposition.
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Posted 02/16/2023   12:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure how the USPS plans on sorting counterfeits out of the mainstream.

The modern counterfeits are tagged, so they will go through the system.

The new counterfeits printing is really good. I can't tell the difference between them and a genuine stamp without using a 8x loop. And then, only if I have a real USPS stamp next to it.

the perfs are close enough I have to hold a genuine one next to it to see the difference.

So is a USPS person going to do this to how many letters a day to weed out counterfeits?
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Posted 02/16/2023   12:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mml1942 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


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So is a USPS person going to do this to how many letters a day to weed out counterfeits?


Maybe they will use to use ChatGPT to screen the stamps?
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Posted 02/16/2023   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Abandoned mail?

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