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D&p Stamps Purchase Issue / Lack Of Vendor Response

 
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Posted 02/22/2023   5:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add BobInRye to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have been struggling since December to sort out an issue w D&P stamps from whom I bought four lots at the Nov '22 ChicagoPex (great show, btw). Have spoken w a woman who promises to call back but never does. Have returned the four lots which cost me north of $200. I don't care if I get a refund OR the correct stamps, but am at a loss for what to do next.

1. Anybody have experience with D&P?
2. Suggestions for next steps?
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Posted 02/22/2023   5:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You left us with a lack of important information .

Who is D&P Stamps ,where are they from ?

Did you buy these stamps at a bourse table , or did you meet them at the bar in the hotel lobby ?

What did you buy a mixture boxes and now you want a refund after taking them home ? Did you buy mint postage at the show like me . What did you buy ?

Did you contact the show organizer if it was a table purchase ?

Did you inspect your purchase before you paid for it .
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Edited by floortrader - 02/22/2023 5:56 pm
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Posted 02/22/2023   5:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldboldandbrash to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They'll be in San Diego probably -- fly across the country to confront them! It's a dwindling operation I think with D not doing so good and P I don't think caring about the business. But I don't know much of anything
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Posted 02/22/2023   6:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Calstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BobinRye.

Made several successful purchases from D&P Stamps across the past 15 yrs or so. In-person (at shows), online ( ebay), and via auction. (In fact, received an email today advising of their latest auction offerings.)

Never a problem. Material always as described or advertised.

D&P is/was a husband-wife operation. Don and Pat. Based in San Diego area. Pre-pandemic, frequent presence at shows throughout Calif.

As a one-time collector, Pat was particularly knowledgeable re Portugal and Colonies.
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Posted 02/22/2023   6:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cephus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Likewise, I've dealt with D&P many times and have never had a single issue. They're really nice people as far as I've ever had any experience. No clue what problem the OP is having but we don't really have enough information to make any judgements.
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Posted 02/22/2023   10:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobInRye to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your responses. When I purchased from D&P at their bourse table, I left w a positive feeling. Pat was helpful and friendly. I was after some more modern Great Britain stamps that were issued w and w/o phosphor. On return home, I was unable to detect phosphor and so rang Pat. We agreed I'd return the stamps and she'd check them. Since then, I've been getting the run around with multiple calls, multiple promises of, "I'll call you back" with no follow through. I will try again tomorrow.

FloorTrader - thank you for your attempt to help, but if you don't know them, I don't expect you can assist. This is less about the specific stamps and more about the quality of the dealer to which both Cephus and Calstamp have written positively.
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Posted 02/22/2023   11:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just to pour cement on your facts, you sent the stamps back to them?
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Posted 02/23/2023   12:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BOB -Your right I can't help , you should of brought your own UV light to the show ,you can't count on the dealers who's average age at that show was 120 years old for being able to see tagging ,I may be off a year or two . Then wasn't that a hotel ballroom with those goofy yellow lightbulbs really not a good place to examine stamps .Maybe the dealer didn't know anything about the subject and couldn't spell Phosphorescence .

All I can add is next time get a UV light and Ott lamp
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Posted 02/23/2023   01:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Floortrader,
That is a long-wave UV lamp.

A number of posts from America suggest there is a tendency to focus on black light or long-wave philatelic lamps for detecting phosphor, irrespective of the stamp. British stamps up to 1992 require a short-wave lamp to detect phosphor.
However, most phosphor bars can be seen by the naked eye holding them at an angle to the light.

I am not sure what modern stamps OP refers to.
Wildings come without and with phosphor bars.
Most commemoratives of the 1960s come without and with phosphor bars.
Machins almost exclusively come with phosphor coating or phosphor bars.
There are some stamps issued only with phosphor bars but can have them missing (errors).

Sometimes, Wilding phosphor bars are difficult to see with the naked eye. Those on the commemoratives tend to be very visible.
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Posted 02/23/2023   08:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The point was to bring your own tools , don't trust the cheap lighting at a stamp show in a hotel ballroom . The center light above works fine to detect tagging .

I photo what was on my desk last night, I left my Wondsunson 2 in 1 light with a friend .
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Posted 02/23/2023   09:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobInRye to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for that again very useful suggestion FloorTrader. I have found those tools to be of very little use during day light hours in very well lit right rooms. But I'll try to keep your suggestion in mind for the future.
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Posted today in wrong forum by member Dp38 so I am moving it here...

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