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Just Confirming I Have Scott 1055A Large Hole

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Posted 02/18/2023   10:03 am  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add 3193zd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have a large roll of this stamp and I am trying to confirm it is large hole. Image of back side.


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Posted 02/18/2023   10:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not quite understand what is going on here. On the top picture the holes look the same size to me. On the bottom picture they are different. Are the two bottom strips not yours?


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Posted 02/18/2023   10:44 am  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes These are two separate strips. but I thought both had the same size holes.
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Posted 02/18/2023   11:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wouldn't Scott make life easier if they gave the diameter in mm of each hole type?
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Posted 02/18/2023   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The new perforators associated with the Huck press used smaller pins resulting in holes measuring a nominal 0.037 inch in diameter. The holes are quite clean and are found on Huck press (dry printed) products. The old perforators associated with the Stickney press used larger pins resulting in holes measuring about 0.043 inch. The initial printings from the Huck press were configured to be compatible with the Stickney perforators resulting in large hole dry printing varieties. The wet printed coils from the Stickney press generally, but not always have large holes. Ken Lawrence discovered a Scott 496 strip of 5 with small holes measuring about 0.038 inch in diameter. Initially it was believed that the 3 cent small hole 1057c wet printing variety was somehow created using the Huck coiling equipment, but the discovery of the 1917 small hole 5 cent 496 variety has led to speculation that another perforator with smaller pins was available, but infrequently used. Now that the small hole 2 cent 1055d wet printing variety and a small hole 842 strip (not listed) have been certified, it is expected that other examples may be found. The most common so far is the Scott 496 small hole variety (not listed) where in excess of ten pairs have been found. The upper limit for wet printing small hole is 0.039 inch diameter which must measure top to bottom and match the curve of a round 0.038 inch target. Because of the paper and technology of the time, wet printing small holes are not as cleanly punched as the new small holes. Additional unpublished information may someday be published by Liberty Issue specialists.

Oddly enough, some early Washington/Franklin coils have larger holes, on the order of 0.045 inch in diameter. Because documentation is sketchy, the explanation for the few wet printing small hole varieties found so far is incomplete. It is not sufficient to postulate "pin wear" because the small hole pins are on the order of 25% smaller in area than the large hole pins. Ken Lawrence published an article a few years ago in the Scott Stamps Monthly magazine. It is still the best introduction. You are correct in noting that the paper between the holes is wider than the holes if small hole and not wider otherwise. Although 1 millimeter can be used as a go/no go criterion, measuring to the nearest 0.1 mm is not precise enough.


The key is the distance between the perforation holes. Get a copy of the common hole size (cheap stamp) cut it such that it is a template for comparing the paper size between the holes. Trying to measure actual sizes in fraction of a millimeter is not a activity with certainty in philately. The eye ball method will show the difference IF such difference exists.
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Posted 02/18/2023   4:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Trying to measure actual sizes in fraction of a millimeter is not a activity with certainty in philately.


The difference between .038 and .043 inches is not a fraction of a millimeter but rather 1.27 millimeters. That should be very doable.
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Posted 02/18/2023   5:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A zero went missing somewhere. (0.043-0.038) x 25.4 = 0.127 mm.
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Posted 02/18/2023   5:07 pm  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
calculation is correct, 1.27mm should be very measurable.
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Posted 02/18/2023   5:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It should be very easy to tell them apart.
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Posted 02/18/2023   5:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, 1.27mm. I use a $3 metric circle drafting template as a go/no-go.
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Posted 02/18/2023   6:17 pm  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another thing to note about the small hole vs. large hole is that for the small hole variey the space between the holes is larger than the hole diameter. This should be visibly apparent (but not a confirming attribute in itself).
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Posted 02/18/2023   11:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
O.043" - 0.038" = 0.005" read as five one thousandths of an inch.

One inch has 25.4 mm, thus 1"/25.4 is 0.03937" Therefore one millimeter equals 0.03937 of an inch. As 0.005" is smaller than 0.03937 of an inch it is less than one millimeter or in other words it is a fraction of a millimeter, 0.1270002mm read as one hundred twenty seven thousandths of a millimeter and more commonly referred to as 127 microns in the International System of Units (SI) or as a micrometer or micrometre depending on which side of the pond you live.

rodgcam and orstampman are wrong by a factor of 10 (one order of magnitude) and Germania is correct.




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Posted 02/18/2023   11:18 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
germania & parcel are correct
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Posted 02/19/2023   12:03 am  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with Germania - I was off by factor of 10!
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Posted 02/19/2023   6:07 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So I have several coils and I finally took a photo of two that looked different and then enlarged the image so I could easily measure in MM . I was then able to determine large hole and small holes. I have a large roll of small holes and a few strips of large holes. The original images I had at the beginning of this post, I determined are large hole. Thanks Guys!
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Posted 02/19/2023   7:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank God (or whomever/whatever you believe in) we are not splitting atoms! I was wrong and am deeply ashamed. I will be self-flagellating for having the audacity and arrogance to question Mr. Parcel's numbers. Will you ever forgive me?
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