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Is This Korea Stamp , From 1901, Genuine?

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Posted 03/02/2023   03:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add post_pe to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Is this Korea Overprint stamp ,from 1901 issue, genuine? The colour is different ,from the one pointed in catalog .
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Posted 03/02/2023   03:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not a specialist.

Going by my example of the series, yours is a crude forgery ?

Sc # 36 1902 2ch on 25p Surcharge.

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Bulgaria
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Posted 03/02/2023   03:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add post_pe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Rod.
Thath explains why the color of the stamp is different, from the one you've posted.
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Posted 03/02/2023   04:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
post_pe, yours is a different value. It looks like a '0' where rod shows a 25 poon example.
I do not think the colour difference is an issue as you are looking at different stamps.
I infer from rod's post he is pointing out that the printing of your stamp is crude compared to his example from the series.

Your stamp looks like it is supposed to be a 10 poon stamp. Which does raise the question about the colour for and overprint on that value, explaining why it differs from the catalogued one.
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Posted 03/02/2023   05:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp in the OP is a forgery, more specifically a bogus creation.

1. The poor-quality soft paper, resultant rough perfs and watery printing are not those of the genuine.
2. There is no such color/value for the genuine basic stamps. The 10p stamps are blue, otherwise this is trying to be an imaginary (?)c. value. Badly incorrect colors are known on other forgeries on soft paper.
3. The 1ch surcharge exists only on the 25p value as far as I know.
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Posted 03/02/2023   08:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add post_pe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes the number is not same with the one posted for comparison.
I hurried to write my question and overlooked the substantial gap in the the detail. The value is completely different. I was focused mainly on the color which , still differs substantially, from the one used to make the 10 p. stamp. I can't say weather this is a rezolt of a chemical manipulation or it's just inaccuracy of the printer( possible a forger). Is the rough
appearance of the stamp indicating
that it might be a counterfeit ?
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Edited by post_pe - 03/02/2023 08:20 am
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Posted 03/02/2023   09:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Give less attention to the color, and more attention to the vast difference in quality of the print detail and cut of the perforations between your specimen and the genuine one.
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Posted 03/02/2023   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with NSK. The overall rough appearance and the wrong color and the indefinite denomination all add up to this being a forgery. If you are convinced otherwise, send it in to Sergio Sismondo or another expert of your choice.
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Posted 03/03/2023   06:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add post_pe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes,it's most probably some type of imitation .
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Posted 03/04/2023   12:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add backroads to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting. These must be fairly common in older collections. Seeing this thread, I remembered seeing a page shown from a small collection in a current auction with similar stamps. Took a screen shot but, unfortunately, very poor resolution. Same thing though with coarse printing and no colour match.




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Posted 03/05/2023   06:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add post_pe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp on left is completely isidentical to the one I have posted. The design is practically the same .
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Posted 03/05/2023   07:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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This 1 Ch./5 P. phantasy comes in different versions from several forgers - may be they simply copied the 'tourist sheets' of the curio dealer concurrence?


The one shown by John A. is a part of the so called 'german forgeries'. They come on quality pure white paper, in fact more white than the originals. They show a strong paper vertical paper grid not found with originals, viz.

l l
l
l l
l
l l
l
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Printing is elaborate, fake postmarks were copied from genuine strikes, mostly FUSAN double circle latin resp. Busan native bisected type. These are the most deceiving fakes of old Korean stamps - if not turned around for checking the paper mesh.

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Other 1 Ch./5 P. fakes:

Well known are the crude 5 P. fakes showing the writing " .C POON" instead.

They come with the "1 Chon" surcharge as well:





https://www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=42578

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Posted 03/05/2023   08:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! well done you.
Great Info.
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Posted 03/05/2023   08:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add post_pe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is a scan of a similar fake placed on the on-line collection of forgeries at www.filatelia.fi



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Posted 03/05/2023   3:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the same type of forgery as your stamp .
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Posted 03/06/2023   09:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add post_pe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The color and the design looks the same.
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