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Posted 03/05/2023   11:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paddle_more to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi rod222 - I'm posting this image because I think it is a very nice example of the 9d but also has a very clear strike. I am trying to identify the watermark with just light at the moment and do not see a garter. Could this be a Dubus 21D5?





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Edited by paddle_more - 03/05/2023 12:08 pm
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Posted 03/05/2023   11:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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For this 847 Warrington, which do yo think the stamp cancel is - 1844 or 3HOS ??


It has a bar too many to be 3HOS, but the thickness of the bars does not really match the 1844 cancel, it might be a later version.
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Edited by NSK - 03/05/2023 12:00 pm
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Posted 03/05/2023   2:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi paddle_more,

Yes that is a Dubus type 5.
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Posted 03/05/2023   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paddle_more to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you. I have a lot of these similar GB stamps but so many cancels are incomplete, cut off or blurred that I don't want to spend too much time on them.
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Posted 03/05/2023   3:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Stamps4Life,

Yes it is an 1844 cancel. Plate 104 was registered in 1850 so it can only be an 1844 cancel. It's seen a lot of use though.
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Posted 03/05/2023   3:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Hi rod222 - I'm posting this image because I think it is a very nice example of the 9d but also has a very clear strike. I am trying to identify the watermark with just light at the moment and do not see a garter. Could this be a Dubus 21D5?


Why "garter"? This stamp never had a 'garter' watermark.
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Edited by NSK - 03/05/2023 3:06 pm
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Posted 03/05/2023   3:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paddle_more to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think I see a hint of a rose in the bottom middle of the stamp. Not all four corners but I'm just going by eye.
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Posted 03/05/2023   3:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Often, a scan of the back against a black background will do the trick. It comes either with 'Spray of Rose' or 'Emblems' watermark. I do think there is a watermark visible in the lower left corner. That would make it likely you have the 'Emblems' watermark, Stanley Gibbons (SG) 98. 'Spray of Rose' either SG 110 or 111.
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Posted 03/05/2023   4:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paddle_more to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm having a tough time. I'm using Gimp 2.10.20 and trying all of the colour variations. Someone wrote 46 in pencil on the back which puzzles me.






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Posted 03/05/2023   4:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is the Scott number for SG98 if I can rely on the site that may not be mentioned.

I.e. 30 October 1865, wmk 'Emblems'.
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Edited by NSK - 03/05/2023 4:24 pm
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Posted 03/05/2023   4:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paddle_more to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't even think of using Scott for British Empire. Just Canada so that is why nothing clicked. I have many catalogues. I won't bother with this anymore. Thanks for your help NSK.
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Posted 03/05/2023   4:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I wouldn't even think of using Scott for British Empire.


Nor would I. Madness! I would not use it for Europe and colonies either.

But in all fairness, if you live across the pond and are not specialising, I can understand you use it.
There are many posts about GB stamps that quote Scott. The unmentionable site helps understand what they are on about.
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Posted 03/05/2023   6:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I wouldn't even think of using Scott for British Empire.


I do, and yet, I don't feel like madness is overtaking me at all.
I choose whatever catalogue I want, after using both,
I found gibbons to be clunky, but still use it in a pinch.
Esp the older catalogues that have the engravers etc.

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Posted 03/05/2023   7:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've got my Scott Classic Specialized and my Gibbons Empire & Commonwealth.

They complement each other as far as I'm concerned.

I do like my old Gibbons catalogues. Lots of information on non British Empire countries that isn't in the Scott.
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Posted 03/05/2023   9:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In my experience, people who make fun of Scott Classic Specialized have never used one. If you haven't seen one, you might equate it with the basic Scott. You'd be wrong.

The classic-era collector will have all sorts of literature, but Gibbons Commonwealth and Scott Classic Specialized are the backbone. Every five years, go ahead and throw in Yvert Classiques. Next one should be 2025.
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