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Posted 03/05/2023   12:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add gezadrummer1930 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found what looks like a certificate from Europe. it was tucked in the page with these stamps. Are the stamps and certificate related?

Any info on what this is about is appreciated.


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Posted 03/05/2023   12:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have no idea if it ties to those exact stamps, but I think it says that the overprints are genuine.
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Posted 03/05/2023   12:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Two items ---The cert . if that is what it is ? is over 75 years old . Second nothing ties those stamps to that Cert or that statement .
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Posted 03/05/2023   12:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It states "a normal set of the / Graz provisionals 1945 / with 23 values. / Stamp values : bold."

Not sure what that last line means. Either these stamps exist with thin and bold numerals, or overprints that can be bold or thin.
The sentence below the boxes states:

"To the by you submitted o. o. item-to-be-expertised is being officially stated the expertising outcome: real overprint"

Or in better English: we testify the item o.o. submitted by you for experising has been certified: real overprint.

Not sure what the abbreviation o.o. means, but, probably, refers to a description above.
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Posted 03/05/2023   12:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Check Michel nrs. 674 -696. The value is in the high values in RM (1, 2, 3, 5).
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Posted 03/05/2023   1:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gezadrummer-- Do you have another page that is included with your above page ?
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Posted 03/05/2023   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding stamp values: bold, this doesn't even rise to the level of guessing, but...

There are later letterpress stamps with thin numerals in the 10pf and 12pf values (Mi 826-7, 1942) vs. the earlier intaglio stamps with thicker numerals.

Michel's specialized catalogue shows them side by side at the listing for 826-7.

Anyone have anything to add about that?
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Posted 03/05/2023   2:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Never mind. I see in the Austria listings, Mi 680-1, the 10pf and 12pf are surcharged on the later, letterpress stamps. (Germany Mi 826-7)


ETA: Next unfounded guess. The RM values have two types of overprints...Österreich measuring 18.5mm (Type I) or 16.25mm (Type II).

(The cert mentions 23 stamps, which would probably be 19 of the pf values and 4 of the RM values.)
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Edited by Cjd - 03/05/2023 2:24 pm
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Posted 03/05/2023   2:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The "Bold" might refer to the overprints on the Reichsmark (RM) values: 18.5 mm, vs. 16.25 mm.
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Posted 03/05/2023   3:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since this thread might pop up fairly high in the G@@gle search results for these stamps, I'll mention that the 1RM and 2RM examples in both Type I and Type II overprints are found line perf 12.5 (A) or comb perf 14 (B), with a huge premium for the 1RM 18.5mm overprint line perf 12.5 (Mi 693 I A).
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Posted 03/05/2023   3:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Illustration may help - the relevant section from Michel Austria specialized.

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Posted 03/05/2023   3:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did find that Weihs was an expert on the Graz overprints. Here is one reference to him:

Weihs, Karl, and Edgar Lewy, "New Forgeries of the Graz Overprints", Philatelic Magazine,
Vol. 62 (July 2, 1954): 515.

His certificates can be found in auction lots in past Harmer and Cherrystone sales. Most of the time he appears to have backstamped the stamps he expertized.
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Posted 03/05/2023   3:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting fragment from the catalogue...the Michel I'm looking at has 693 II A and 694 II A listed but not priced. --,--

I see above that they aren't even listed any longer.
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Posted 03/05/2023   3:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is from the Michel Osterreich-Spezial 2021. I checked the catalogue "fine print" for this issue and it didn't mention anything about delisting for those 693/694 variants - perhaps it was determined they weren't legitimate.
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Posted 03/05/2023   3:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found this:


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After the end of the war, Styria held the record with five zones of occupation: as well as America, Britain, and Russia the Jugoslavs and the Bulgarians also occupied areas. The city of Graz was occupied by the Russians on 8th May 1945 practically without any fighting. By this date the Republic of Austria had already been restored in Vienna, and postal service had resumed in Vienna on 2nd May 1945. In the areas occupied by the Russians the postal service was never fully interrupted, although it was severely handicapped by destroyed or confiscated office space and the absence of any means of transport.

Until 22nd May 1945 the Hitler-era stamps could be used in Styria without overprint. Around 10 am on that day the first values of 1, 3, 4, 6, 10 and 12 Rpf of the "Graz Emergency Issue" were issued. It was subsequently described in the official notice B.M.Zl.9165 of 9 May 1946 (repeated in the "Post- u. Telegraphen-verordnungsblatt No. 7 of 21 May 1946) as consisting of "a vertical black overprint 'Österreich', flanked on the left and right by three vertical black strokes". The remaining values followed in the next few days.

The overprint on the small-format values of 1 to 24 Rpf was carried out by the Styrian State Printers in Graz castle. The larger format values of 25 to 80 Rpf as well as the RMark values were overprinted in the printing office of Ludwig Kunath, 6 Conrad-von-Hötzendorf-Gasse. Since the printing capacity of the Kunath printing office was inadequate, the overprinting of the RMark values was transferred to the printing office of Karl Birkwald, 19 Kaiserfeldgasse, on 15 June 1945. There somewhat larger letters were used.

Collectors distinguish thus for the RMark values a "thin" overprint 16.25mm in length and a "fat" overprint of 18.5mm. The RMark values exist in two perforations, Line of 12½ and Comb of 14 (the line perf has irregular corners, while the comb always has a perforation hole at the corner). The variants of overprint and perforation thus yield four combinations for the RMark values. However, not all four face values occur in all four combinations. The 1 RM value with fat overprint in line perf 12½ is extremely rare. The perforations are often very inaccurate.

The Rpf values have numerous shades of colour as well as smooth and ribbed gum. Especially expensive are the 1Rpf in grey-black and the 5Rpf in dark moss-green.

Due to insufficient printing equipment and the necessary urgency of manufacture, the overprints have numerous varieties and plate faults. Since each printer had only one overprinting plate for all values of the same size, many errors occur in several or even all values. A very good survey of the plate faults is given in the Austria Netto Catalog (ANK). Very popular are the inverted overprints, which occur in almost all values; on them the word "Österreich" runs from the top downwards instead of from the bottom upwards.

Considerably more striking are double impressions, slanting overprints or horizontally- or vertically-displaced overprints. The sheet overprints run over the whole of the sheet (as is obvious from the first illustration). If the overprint is displaced vertically, it ends at the lowest row (fields 91 to 100) instead of the lower margin, as is illustrated later on a 40Rpf stamp.

Warning! There exist numerous fakes and forgeries of ALL the overprint values, as well as forged and backdated cancels. Caveat emptor...

The issue of the overprinted stamps was between 410,000 (60Rpf) and 790,000 items (30Rpf). For the stamps of 16 and 24Rpf, only 100,000 were overprinted. On the contrary the much used values of 6 and 12Rpf had issues of 2.6 and 2.9 million. With the RMark values, the issues lie between 160,000 and 37,500 pieces (fat overprint). In the Kunath printing office (thin overprint) only about 15,000 pieces per value were overprinted.

The stamps were in practice only valid in the area of the Post- and Telegraphendirektion at Graz, which essentially coincided with the zone initially occupied by the Russians and later transferred to the British. Genuinely used pieces, especially on entires, are much rarer than unused.

The overprinted stamps were valid until 2nd July 1945, when the Russian occupying power forbade the use of all Hitler-stamps (including the Viennese overprints). Instead payment in cash was ordered, until new stamps were delivered. The stamps of the Arms series [ANK 714-736] were first delivered to Styria on 22nd July; meanwhile however on the 15th of July the occupying power changed, the Soviets handing over the zone to the British. On the 26th July the first stamps of the Posthorn series [ANK 697-713] were delivered. Stamps of the Arms series could thus be used only for three days in Styria, and items franked with them are thus extremely rare, most being philatelically-inspired.

In some areas of Styria the Graz overprints were used until the end of July. In other areas of Styria, around Leibnitz and Leoben, Hitler stamps were similarly overprinted [see ANK "Lokalausgaben"].

Note: see Heinzel's "Österreich nach 1945" vol 2 pages 14-16 for a listing of which values could be used on what items. Many of the larger Rpf values are only found in contrived, philatelic usages; the 1 RM has a theoretical use on Postanweisung forms; the 2, 3 & 5 RM have no valid uses at all!


https://www.austrianphilately.com/graz/index.htm
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Posted 03/05/2023   3:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is my set . Notice I have both types
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