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Non-Descript But Outstanding 1959 Postage Due Cover - Which I Forgot To Buy

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Posted 03/10/2023   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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As to your earlier post the post office counter was not open 24/7/365 while the PO Box lobby was


There still had to be a machine selling stamps there in those days, I can't imagine them not having some way to buy stamps. And would someone really send a letter to a teenager postage due? Make him pay for it? I just don't see it.
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Posted 03/10/2023   7:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revcollector, Have you ever visited a small post office?
3rd and 4th class offices rarely have 24-hour lobby service or vending machines.
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Posted 03/10/2023   7:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have been in small post offices, but they were full service. I can't even see the point of having one that only has 3rd and 4th class capabilities with no way to even buy a stamp.
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Posted 03/10/2023   7:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wake up and smell 1960. No tagging, no zip codes. No computers, No internet. No barcodes. Few canceling machines.
One cannot judge 1960 by the facilities available in 2023.
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Posted 03/10/2023   7:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was visiting post offices in 1960, thank you.
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Posted 03/11/2023   01:17 am  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I understand the small post office rural nature of this case. I "lived" in Independence as a small kid in 1963-5 (born just about when this cover was moving through the local postal system). Definitely a gun rack and pocket knives would be plentiful here.
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Posted 03/11/2023   11:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
[announcer voice] "Thursday, on Geraldo..." [/announcer voice]
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Posted 03/11/2023   12:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It was used shortly after the new set had been issued, but there would have been examples left over, especially in small PO's.
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Posted 03/11/2023   2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add postagedueguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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It was used shortly after the new set had been issued, but there would have been examples left over, especially in small PO's.


At least up to 1963.

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Posted 03/11/2023   5:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the Independence Post Office with the "modern look" as noted by the zip code. Same building as in 1959:





First one must consider what 3 cents postage could pay for in 1959. There are two rates. The first is the single piece third class for two ounces or less for 3 cents. The letter was sealed as noted by the opening slit at the top and thus not third class. Even if it was sealed third class it would need to be rerated to the first class rate.

The second possible three cent rate is the local rate (AKA 'drop rate') but in 1959 correctly called the non-carrier office local (within the city/town/area) surface letter rate.

Here, in 1959 Independence, CA did not have city carriers, RFD carriers or routes nor any Star Route delivery boxes. Thus is is a "non-carrier office. The Office did have 288 post office boxes to serve the town and "Independence Region" which had a population of less than 600 folks in area in 1959. The population had been that low for decades if not a century. The Post Office was opened in 1866.

So the non-carrier surface letter rate was 3 cents from August 1, 1958 through January 6, 1963 when it increased to four cents and ended on January 6, 1968. Per Tony W. as stated in his 3rd edition of US Domestic Postal rates, post 1950 non-carrier are difficult items to locate and should be considered "Modern Gems of Philately." Only non-carrier local rate existed after March 25, 1944 when carrier office local discount rates stopped.

Now for every such usage, how many were mail unpaid with postage due collected, one in a hundred, one in a thousand, one in ten thousand? .With postage due paying the 3 cents postage, the rarity becomes several or more orders of magnitude more scarce

This is the first one I have seen and recognized while collecting odd as well as scare postal usages for forty years. If I find another before I stop collecting, I will be shocked.

As noted before, the recipient was in High School in 1959. The mailing may have been a group mailing to high school students or friends and this was missed when being stamped. Since it ran through the automatic cancelling machine in the office without a stamp, it likely was an oversight in a group or letters. When being sorted for throwing to one of the 288 PO Boxes or General Delivery, the lack of stamp was notice as indicated by the "Postage Due 3 Cents" on the face. The sender was known as the return address was "P.O. Box 187" as per the manuscript return address.

In any case the letter needed three cents postage. Likely who ever showed up first, the sender or addressee paid the charge, due stamp affixed and cancelled with a clear boxed city cancel.

Interestingly it seems that a peer, first name "Pines," now as an adult, of the addressee still had P.O. Box 187 as of a newspaper report in 1969. I did not pay money to unlock Pines' last name.

This area, Independence and Inyo County are a rough and tumble location since their founding. To the west of Independence, elevation 3900 feet, you must rise an additional 10,000 feet to leave the county to the west while doing so by foot. To the east, one finds the place occupying nearly 50% of the county, a place called Death Valley National Park. That direction can be traverse by vehicle most of the time. Average rainfall in the town is 3.1 inches spread over four months with no average rain the other eight.

The mountains first brought settlers for mining in harsh weather conditions. To the east brought not much. In the middle, was the Owens Valley which drained south to Owens Lake. The water in the valley supported ranching and farming as well as people. However as the Los Angeles Water Agency slowly bought up water rights in the area to serve the thirst of the LA Basin, farming greatly diminished and Owens Lake dried up. It remains a locale in which pocket knives are common, including for letter opening and rifles were and are needed to protect life and property; not to mention the side arms of the local sheriffs and deputies many of whom were shot or shot and killed over the years.

Here is a shot of the PO with the mountains in the background taken last winter (the view is much more snowy now):



A view west from downtown (less than 138 people per square mile):



Now north from downtown (south looks the same except the PO would be on the left):


Part of Independence per the US Census folks but not where many live in the area (beware of cougars, coyotes, black bear and rattlesnakes):



The above photo can be understood by these two images below. The first showing the outline of the "Independence Area" and the close up of the built up 'dense urban area:"



Last bit of trivia, there is no county in the entire United States with as of an great elevation change, on dry land, with in its boundaries, 14,505 to -282 feet. The only place that exceeds that with an 18,000 elevation change is in Alaska which does not have counties . Without the dry land restriction Hawaii County, Hawaii could be in the running depending how far into the ocean the county lines run, if at all.
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Posted 03/11/2023   10:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
An obvious question: If it was "a group mailing to high school students or friends and this was missed when being stamped" and not a philatelic cover, then why was it saved? A non collector would not have cared in the least, especially at 16. It would have been thrown away as trash. It certainly would not still be around 64 years later for collectors to wonder about.
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Posted 03/12/2023   03:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It could have been a roster for who was selected for next season's school baseball team and was saved in a scrapbook, or a myriad of other reasons why covers of any type still exist and were not all trashed.

By your logic, is every cover saved from the 1950's and 1960's philatelically created?
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Posted 03/12/2023   03:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Indeed. I find it totally illogical that a 16 year old and his correspondent are making philatelic covers of an obscure rate in 1960 at their local post office.

Occam's razor. It is far more believable that this was an accidental "skip" in a pile and the recipient saved it as an oddity in a era when all boys saved stamps, coins, baseball cards, rocks, etc., etc.
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Posted 03/12/2023   04:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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A non collector would not have cared in the least, especially at 16. It would have been thrown away as trash.


Rather cynical view of teens. Or is it because you don't own it? There are and will continue to be family collection of letters found where the stamps have been removed yet all else was saved clearly by one whose interest extended beyond philatelic. Likewise there is no reason to assume it was picked up at the PO by the teen instead of a family member. Today one downloads to a file, before folks downloaded into a book, box or desk. Likewise I as many others do, check waste paper bins for interesting items This envelope could have been opened and tossed aside only to be picked up and saved by another patron. Nay say all you wish, but this cover still exists for reasons you will never know, in the same way the vast majority of covers going back into the stampless period have been saved. Deal with it.

Letters have been saved for years and decades by non-stamp collectors. I even have cards and letters saved from before I ever began stamp collecting.

From two days ago in Napa California:
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This is not unique as the same story can be found in 2022 and 2017 and....as far back as there was paper.

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Posted 03/12/2023   09:42 am  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Indeed. I find it totally illogical that a 16 year old and his correspondent are making philatelic covers of an obscure rate in 1960 at their local post office."

If they wanted to make a postage due cover, the only rate they had available to them was this obscure rate simply by nature of where they lived.

"It could have been a roster for who was selected for next season's school baseball team"

A town that tiny probably didn't have a basketball team.

"Rather cynical view of teens"

Realistic view of teens.

Any chance this person is still alive?
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