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Posted 03/11/2023   1:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add howell1018 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So I'm looking through my American Philatelist monthly journal and I'm once again wondering about two things....
I notice on illustrated covers from the 19th century prior to maybe 1860 that they lack a street address. So if a letter is sent to an individual, or business, and it's in a large city like New York, how does it get there. I know New York wasn't as populated 150+ years like it is today, but it was still pretty well crowded. Did the delivery people have to know where everyone lived (I doubt it)? Was there no direct delivery and everyone had to go to the main post office to pick up their mail? Maybe I'm missing something?
Also, the handwriting on most of these letters are beautiful by today's standards. Did everyone take calligraphy in school, or perhaps this is the result of using a fountain pen? Or....?

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Posted 03/11/2023   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Did everyone take calligraphy in school,


I certainly did, (England) Inkwell, pen with nib, light on upstroke, heavy on downstroke.
Blank Pages were lined with 3 lines, Top line for upper case, middle for lower case.

Copy the script printed in the top of page.
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Posted 03/11/2023   2:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add uboatnut to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Me too, here in the US. I remember well the 3 lined papers. We were required to learn both printing and to write in cursive. Those who failed often became doctors and wrote prescriptions. Those who leaned well (and spent time as military code breakers) became pharmacists. I went on to study art, where I got extensive training in the more elaborate forms of hand-written characters.

Lots of today's kids can't read (or write) cursive. Gotta worship the word processor software. Let it do the spell and grammar checking. Why bother to learn something the machine can do for me?

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Posted 03/11/2023   2:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
People did take calligraphy, but there were also people who did writing professionally, so some of the more beautiful examples were done as a job.
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Posted 03/11/2023   3:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nineteenth century handwriting is either so easy to read it's not funny, or akin to the proverbial drunk fly in ink.

Literacy rates prior to 1860 will be a LOT lower than they are today. The postman (letter carrier) would know who was who even in a big city.
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Posted 03/11/2023   3:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Yet... nice to read when handwritten,
but becomes too flourished for digital browsing.

I hold Amos' choice of font, as in the Scott catalogue
as one of the most comfortable fonts in existence.
Never get tired of the reading of the catalogue, with bold typeface
for instant recognition of year and perf guaging.

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Posted 03/11/2023   4:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rick2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I believe a lot of people had mail held at Post Offices...especially rural America (...or any other country for that matter)...I have seen mail sent to a rural address and then a handwritten direction to the location!
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Posted 03/11/2023   4:32 pm  Show Profile Check johnsim03's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add johnsim03 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I hold Amos' choice of font, as in the Scott catalogue
as one of the most comfortable fonts in existence.
Never get tired of the reading of the catalogue, with bold typeface
for instant recognition of year and perf gauging.


Rod, I agree - it is a pleasing font. Has it ever been established here on SCF what font closely resembles it? I did a search but found conflicting opinions.

John
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Posted 03/11/2023   6:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Penmanship" My father, as a business major in college, had to take penmanship in the early 1950s.

City delivery: This will be a very much simplified reply. To paint with a very broad brush, if your letter did not have a street address on it, you had to go to the post office and pick it up, pay an extra carrier fee (and still needed an address), or have someone to pick it up for you, etc. The size of New York City tends to make it an exception to mail handling compared to average-America.

Jumping forward, 1863 is a turning point, note the "City Mail Delivery" centennial issue:



A bit misleading since it was not instantaneous. The USPOD started in only the largest cities, 49 of them in July 1863. The act of 1863 was only for cites of 50,000 or more. The requirements were gradually lowered. In 1873 to 20,000 population. In 1887 to 10,000 population and $10K in receipts.

Cities also had to have a regular plan of street and house numbering, typically the "Philadelphia Plan", street improvements, etc. This typically required some time to implement.

35 years after 1863, here are the first few pages of an 32-page booklet from 1898:






Bottom line, most post offices were in smaller towns and could NOT offer city delivery. Here is the header and top of the post office list from the January 1907 "Postal Guide". Note how few Alabama office are marked "F" for free delivery:



When a city got city delivery, they would often start using an auxiliary marking like: "Address your mail to street and number" or similar text. In this case Evansville, Indiana got city delivery on July 1, 1873, and used their message on a letter which was eventually advertised and unclaimed.


Some cities continued the promotion for decades as a reminder, including slogan machine cancels in some locations.

Like city delivery, rural free delivery took a while to roll-out, and one can find similar markings to more-fully address rfd mail.

One could write an entire book on the evolution of mail delivery.

Abraham Lincoln had to pick up his own mail:
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Posted 03/11/2023   7:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Lots of today's kids can't read (or write) cursive. Gotta worship the word processor software. Let it do the spell and grammar checking. Why bother to learn something the machine can do for me?


Or to take it a step further they can use AI and not write anything themselves. Progress?
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Posted 03/11/2023   7:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I believe a lot of people had mail held at Post Offices


This was certainly the case in New South Wales, in some places right up to the very late 1970s.
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Posted 03/11/2023   8:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bobby, not understanding?
Mail can be held, right this very day,
One just needs to advise the Postmaster.
(Going overseas etc)
Or, am I missing something?
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Posted 03/11/2023   8:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Platt Rogers Spencer (1800-1864) developed the Spencerian style of cursive penmanship That was taught in Business colleges and schools.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platt_Rogers_Spencer
(and other on-line sources)
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Posted 03/11/2023   9:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod,

Back in the day you had to go to the Post Office to check if you had any mail.

Only a few larger towns had letter carriers (ie: mailmen).
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Posted 03/11/2023   10:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Right. Gotcha.
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