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Posted 04/12/2023   1:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Elagabale78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
hey,

i know that the earliest recorded date of #86 is December 17, 1898; the OFFICIAL first date of issue is December 25, 1898; mine is December 22, 1898, three days before the OFFICIAL date, but I can t find the earliest one December 17, 1898; is there many stamps used before the official date of December 25? I paid a small amount to an Italian dealer, but I saw a stamp only,the #86 with the official date of issue at All Nations Stamps and coin for 250.00$.....
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Posted 04/12/2023   1:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Elagabale78,
You have to use a unique file name for images that you upload on the same day.
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Posted 04/12/2023   1:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Elagabale78 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
sorry IT problem.............


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Posted 04/12/2023   1:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robson Lowe's Encyclopedia Vol. 5 has first use at December 6th, and many on December 7th. The issue date is listed there as 6 December.

The rate commenced 25 December, so a single franking on a cover paying the new rate might have a different "earliest" date. But the stamp was out in the wild a few weeks before the rate started.

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Posted 04/12/2023   1:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The one known use on the 6th (as of the time of publishing Vol. 5, that is - mine is the first edition from 1973) was used at Kingston, and uses on the 7th are (were) known from Bridgewater, Hamilton and Montreal.

Lowe quotes the PMG stating on 5 December, "this stamp could be put into use as soon as supplies are received at each post office."
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Posted 04/12/2023   1:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Elagabale78 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In Unitrade, the #86 has the earliest recorded date of December 17th, and the Official one is December 25 ; I don t understand why somebody paid 250$ to have the #86 with the cancel of December 25 1898 if it s normal to find this kind of thing.....
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Posted 04/12/2023   1:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bear with me while I go retrieve my Unitrade...
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Posted 04/12/2023   1:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stanley Gibbons gives 7 December 1898 as issue date. That coincides with the 'many' cancelled on that date.
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read the lines under the Maps stamps; the #85 were issue BEFORE the #86...maybe the blue color were more difficult to print ...
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Posted 04/12/2023   1:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Elagabale78 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i have right now the line here: #86 the earliest recorded date is December 17, the #85 it s December 7
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Posted 04/12/2023   2:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I saw a stamp only,the #86 with the official date of issue at All Nations Stamps and coin for 250.00$


If I'm understanding you, you're saying you saw that stamp for sale, at that price. If that's correct, then no one has paid it yet.

Unitrade doesn't differentiate between 85 (black, lavender and carmine) and 86 (black, blue and carmine) for issue dates. Just for "earliest" dates.

And by the way, Unitrade has an earliest date of 2 December for 85 (black, lavender and carmine). So an earlier date was discovered subsequent to Lowe's publication.

I'm going to assume that a Christmas Day usage is probably less common than a day or two on either side of it? (Don't know, not Canadian.)
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sorry but the # 85 and # 86 have different earliest date of issues, I don t know the date of your catalogue but in 2023 we see 2 earliest recorded date, and yes the #86 with an Halifax December 25 1898 was sold for 250$ at All Nations stamps and coin, just check if you don t trust me :o)
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Posted 04/12/2023   2:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Issue dates and earliest-known usage dates are two different things.

Good luck with your pursuits.
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Unless the post office intentionally changed the colour of the oceans and planned to issue those different colours, these will have been operational variations in printing. The printing, very likely, took place some time before release - issue would be an incorrect terminology if these are operational variations -. As such operational varieties will not, officially, be documented, there will be no issue date but only an earliest known date of use: they are the same stamp, but it may have separate catalogue listings (SG has three: 166 = lavender, 167 = greenish blue, 168 = blue).
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