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Posted 07/20/2023   03:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rob Roy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello
I'm getting confused with calculating the value of stamps without nominal face value.
Can you help me to know how much was paid for the shipment according to the stamps?
The poor quality of the stamps is because the shipping company glued their manifest on the stamps.
Thank you

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Posted 07/20/2023   03:57 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think they're all first class stamps (can't see the bottom right one very well). At the current rate, that would be 7 x £1.10, i.e. £7.70.

You can see current Royal Mail rates here

https://www.royalmail.com/sites/roy...-2023-ta.pdf

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Posted 07/20/2023   04:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And what is the white label? Is it 0.49 GBP?
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Posted 07/20/2023   04:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Those are 7 first class stamps at £ 1.10 = £ 7.70 plus the horizon label at £ 0.49 makes £ 8.19.

"Signed for 2C" is signed for second class, costing £ 8.19 for delivery in the UK over 2KG, up to 10 KG, from 3 April 2023.
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Edited by NSK - 07/20/2023 04:22 am
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Posted 07/20/2023   04:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is cheaper online, but the horizon label evidences that it was shipped through a service point.

The postcode is for Dove Close in Fradley, Lichfield. Must be a service point, since it is not a postcode for a branch office.
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Posted 07/20/2023   04:36 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lichfield is best-known to literary types as the birthplace of Samuel Johnson, and the town in which David Garrick grew up. Together, the two travelled to London in search of fame and fortune.
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Posted 07/20/2023   04:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The House of Samuel Johnson (15 May 2015) in London EC4, 17 Cough Square.

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Posted 07/20/2023   05:05 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I took my daughter there when she was small. When she returned home, she told her mother that "We went to Dr Johnson's house. He wasn't in, but his dictionary was there".
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Posted 07/20/2023   05:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your help.

This was a package, a stockbook with stamps.
The item price was GBP 11.50. The shipping fee, which ebay paid, as you've shown me, was £ 8.19, and the shipping fee that ebay charged me was GBP 23.97!!! Twice the price of the item and 3 times what ebay paid for the shipment.

Another example I would like to share: The are two stockbooks, the same seller, the same location, the same size, and about the same amount of stamps.
The shipping fee from GB to Israel, for one of them, via ebay's Global Shipping Program, is GBP 27.50. The other - GBP 43.86!!! Why?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295173249718
https://www.ebay.com/itm/304873306964

Dearly beloved, ebay is messing with us.
They are messing with the buyers, that are charged a disproportionate amount of money to what ebay actually spends, hence doubling or tripling the item cost.
They are messing with the sellers, gaining big money on their back, while the sellers don't get from it a penny, and driving away international buyers, which is a growing and sometimes main market.

I asked ebay about the shipment rate from GB to Israel. They refused to answer. I wrote again, but they ignored that too.

I'm going to start something with the regulatory authorities here. I'll try. Please someone do the same in the US and in the EU and in Australia, for start.
ebay, lied, hid information, deceived, and I'm sure the right employees will find half a dozen other rule braking.
I know it sounds like a burden. After all, most of us are old. Yes, old: I am old, you are old, he is old, she is...youthfully challenged. But there are bodies whose job is to protect customers, we just need to inform them.

Please?
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Posted 07/20/2023   05:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One thing escapes me.
The £ 8.19 rate is that for inland addresses,
Your profile places you in israel.
Sending 2+KG to Israel is much closer to £ 23.
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Posted 07/20/2023   05:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Sending 2+KG to Israel is much closer to £ 23.

That is good to hear: It's not such a rip-off as I thought.
But if so, where are the stamps for mailing from GB to Israel?
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Posted 07/20/2023   06:01 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are you sure that there WERE stamps, rather than a metered type label? The stamps you've shown could then be from an earlier, intra-GB, use of the packaging. Or could the stamps be the cost of sending to an ebay hub for onward transmission with additional postage?

Edit: probably the latter - please see the attached.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/selling...gram?id=4646
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Edited by GeoffHa - 07/20/2023 06:04 am
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Posted 07/20/2023   06:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
GeoffHa's question also is what I am thinking may have been the case.

2-3 KG Royal Mail international track and signed for medium-sized parcels to World zone 1 (Israel) is £ 29.25.
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Posted 07/20/2023   06:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Based on the link provided by GeoffHa, the cost you paid ebay may also include VAT.
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Posted 07/20/2023   09:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

These are the remains of the package after I removed the part with the stamps.
I can't see any metered-type label here.
The local shipping company is aramex, as seen on the label.
Following your logic, the seller used this gray plastic package to mail it to the GSP center. Then ebay mailed it to Israel, where the local shipping company removed ebay's package cover, with the stamps, and was left with... the shipping address within GB? Why would they bother to remove the international cover, if underneath there isn't my address?
More likely ebay combined packages to Israel and sent them overseas at a reduced cost that we will never know.

As for VAT, can a buyer be charged by both his country and the seller's country?
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Posted 07/20/2023   10:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
As for VAT, can a buyer be charged by both his country and the seller's country?


Yes. It is quite normal. It happens in the EU. Sometimes, you can reclaim your VAT paid in the source country.

I am not sure whether the local shipping agent removed anything. The orange label was applied by Royal Mail. That must have been the original packaging, The barcode at right starting with LPGBA does not look like any Royal Mail label.

The whole ebay operation may have been outsourced to aramex. They will not have used stamps, but only barcodes.
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