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Handwritten Cancel, 1882 Stationery, A Place Near Lubkow, Today Poland

 
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Posted 09/01/2023   3:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add filipo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have a problem to decipher a handwritten cancel (postmark) on this 1882 Hungary stationery card.

On the back is visible that the sender actually wrote the message in Lubkow (probably the one which od in Poland today), so, I suppose that the cancel should be a town not so far away from it.

Any clue? Thanks!



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Posted 09/01/2023   4:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a Hungarian postcard. Unlikely this was posted in what is now Lubkow in Poland and this town is quite some way from Slovakia that was Hungary and bordered on Poland in 1882.
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Posted 09/01/2023   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add filipo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you NSK. Maybe someone will be able to decipher a handwritten cancel.

Maybe some clue is written on the back side, and I will make a quality scans of both sides, if someone will be interested to decipher the writing.

The incoming postmark seems to be also a small place... Kammerswaldau.
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Posted 09/01/2023   5:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add filipo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On the "mirrored", partly postmark down-left of the handwritten cancel I can se "Przemysl"... very close to the border of the Ukraine today.
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Posted 09/01/2023   5:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the mirrored mark, when reversed is:



One of the challenges of this part of Europe is to be wary of country borders for the time in question.
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Edited by John Becker - 09/01/2023 5:30 pm
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Posted 09/02/2023   02:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have been wondering whether that handwritten cancellation is Cyrillic.

The Przemysl stamp looks like a transfer from another item stacked on top of this item. The town was in an Austrian garisson town.
Were Hungarian stamps valid in the Austrian part of the Austro-Hungarian Kingdom? If not, you might be looking at the extreme northeast of the present Presov province, Part of it used to be in Hungarian Ukraine.
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Posted 09/02/2023   09:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add filipo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, John Becker. Yes, the European Borders through the centuries have always been tricky.

NSK, I don't think that this is a Cyrillic cancel... I can easily read both Latin and Cyrillic cursive, but the very first letter makes me crazy... the 2nd could be "d" (if that one is not a part of the fancy written first letter)... the next 2 are strange, and the last 5 looks like *namra.

On the Przemysl postmark is also date "2th July" just as on handwritten cancel, so those 2 places should be close one to eachother.
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Edited by filipo - 09/02/2023 09:12 am
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Posted 09/02/2023   09:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
but the very first letter makes me crazy

I see the first letter as a "P"
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Posted 09/02/2023   09:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Last 4 letters seem to be "awra"
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Posted 09/02/2023   10:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a tough one.

Was the Hungarian postal stationery valid in Austrian Poland?
Kammerswaldau, or Komarno, is south of Lubkow in Lower Silesia, far from the Hungarian Kingdom and far from Przemysl, that is on the other side of the country.
Yet, the letter suggests it was written in Lubkow.
But then the Przemysl offset suggests a letter stamped there had a cancellation that was wet enough to cause an offset.
Przemysl, however, is not very far from what was Hungary.
But is it even a town name and not the name of a postmaster?
Is it even a cancellation and not an annotation added after it was received?

Edit: I also was looking at awra, but connot find any reference to a Polish town name or its German counterpart that ends in namra or awra.
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Edited by NSK - 09/02/2023 10:19 am
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Posted 09/02/2023   10:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add filipo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again John Becker and Revcollector...

I just have found that on Polish language "nawra" means return... so, maybe this is not a town postmark but some other kind of note from the postal worker ? Possibly connected with the Przemysl postmark?
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Posted 09/02/2023   10:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add filipo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@ thank you, NSK... seems that we got the same conclusion at the same time... I didn' t notice your message before I posted mine.
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Edited by filipo - 09/02/2023 10:15 am
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Posted 09/04/2023   10:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In some locales, when a postmaster didn't have cancellation devices they would sign and date with their own signature. Perhaps it's the postmaster's name and not a town?
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