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Posted 09/28/2023   8:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add EMaxim to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Stamp of the "Postgebiet Oberbefehlshaber Ost," i.e., for use in Baltic states during German occupation 1916-8 (MiNr 3; Scott 1N3).

Can't determine the location named in the cancellation. Any ideas?


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Posted 09/28/2023   8:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Coln = Koln = Cologne, Germany (Is this late for this spelling?)

Is there a Coln elsewhere?
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Posted 09/28/2023   9:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Coln = Köln only makes sense if the stamp snuck under the radar and was used domestically, over 1,000km from the intended Ober Ost. Possible, but I think still worth looking a little harder before settling on that.
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Posted 09/28/2023   9:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Use some magnification and see if you can verify that the overprint is under the cancel.
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Posted 09/28/2023   9:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Use some magnification and see if you can verify that the overprint is under the cancel.

That's an excellent point, since the move from Coln to Koln happened with the reform of 1901; if it's meant to be the city English speakers know as Cologne, then either the overprinted stamp and cancel are entirely genuine and the cancel hadn't yet been modernized (along with the domestic use issue), or the overprint is a fake on top of a genuine domestic cancel. The latter is the simpler explanation and thus more likely.
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Posted 09/28/2023   10:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to everyone. It does seem unlikely that a genuinely overprinted stamp would be used domestically, i.e., outside of, and so far from, the official Postgebiet of the Eastern high command.

After a night's sleep I'll try better magnification to see whether the overprint is indeed under the cancel. If not, I'll wonder, why would anyone bother to fake a common overprint on an already common stamp?

Meanwhile it seems possible that there's an umlaut over the "o," making "Cöln" almost inescapable. And thanks especially to Classic Paper for the date when that city's spelling changed: another reason why this cancel isn't likely to have been applied to a stamp of 1916-18. Tho' the date of the cancel appears to be something in the 'teens,' no?

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Posted 09/28/2023   10:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't rule out it being a valid cancel applied at a receiving PO based solely on the date of the spelling change. That particular cancel was still in use until at least 1915, and possibly later. Cancellers from the same PO (Cöln 4) but a different letter canceller ("m" in this case) were used as late as the end of WWI.
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Defying sleep, I'll add that searching online I find that, despite the linguistic reform of 1901, the city did not officially adopt the spelling "Köln" until 1919. So I suppose that the cancel at least, with a date in the 'teens, could be genuine.

https://www.quora.com/When-and-why-...-Why?share=1
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I found Köln on "wikipedia" (in German):

"…Prussian rule, spelled "Cöln" / On the spelling from 1857 to 1919…"

The cancellation appears as genuine (see "stampsx" site -Postmark database):

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Thank you, Cupram. Nice image of the cancel and further support for the date when the spelling of Köln officially changed.

As for increased magnification: it hasn't yet produced a conclusive result. (The cancellation is a bit too faint.) Nevertheless, to my eye it appears that the cancel has been properly applied on top of the overprint. If so, both the overprint and cancel could be genuine. In that case, PostmasterGS has provided a neat solution: The stamp was affixed to mail from the occupied Baltic region but cancelled only upon receipt in Köln, which didn't officially adopt that spelling with a "K" until 1919. In a war zone cancellation at the point of departure can be difficult.

Thanks again to all who responded. Once more I'm grateful for the knowledge that this Forum makes available. Also, I appreciate the times when a seemingly common stamp turns out to have interest that far exceeds its minimal catalogue value.
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