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R98A Plate Number 2000, Full Imprint, Rarity Against Condition?

 
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Posted 10/01/2023   3:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Today, I got myself this at a local club meeting.

it is in a condition I would normally not consider but as I have never seen anything like this before, and could not find any comparison online, I took the plunge

now, I know we have some real revenue experts in our forum...would love to hear from them how rare it actually is and where I could find similar for comparison. not sure if I should have taken it even with all the condition issues.

also it seems the back has a lot of gum...witch I find strange as it seems manuscript cancelled on the front. anyone any idea?





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Posted 10/01/2023   3:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is a scarce item in reasonably nice condition for it's size and the way it was probably used. Certainly worth having.
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Posted 10/01/2023   3:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Revcollector, thank you for your comment.
interesting that i, as a stamp but not revenue collector, find the condition far from reasonably nice condition. what way do you think it was used?
i do think usd 60,= in 1864 was a lot of money to pay taxes
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Posted 10/01/2023   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wowza!

That is quite sexy and certainly has great eye appeal!!!

Absolutely a case of "find one for sale in better shape"!!!!!

Congrats - great find!
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Posted 10/01/2023   4:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thank you stateRevs
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Posted 10/01/2023   6:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
what way do you think it was used?


The higher values were often used to pay documentary taxes on railroad deeds, land purchases, and stock and bond sales. So they were put on documents which were always folded and often went through many hands over time. Of course they might have been used by other types of business deals as well.
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Posted 10/02/2023   07:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I love this piece!

I realize that the "2000" represents the denomination of the stamp but what does the "M" stand for? Durland is clear as mud on this only indicating that the letter has to do with the type of revenue use. Conveyance and "M" fall under the Mortgage category?
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Posted 10/02/2023   09:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Conveyance-the legal process of transferring property from one owner to another. I am not sure exactly why they chose M.
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Posted 10/02/2023   9:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ericjackson to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a wonderful item. I have been dealing in U.S. revenue stamps for more than 50 years and do not recall having seen this before. Yes, it has some condition problems, but so what. Until a better condition example comes along, this item would be treasured by many collectors as it is.
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Posted 10/03/2023   03:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thank you all for commenting, it is more special than I originally thought, despite the condition.

Eric, as I found it in Europe it would make sense you didn't see it before

Rogdcam, I did check the plate number on Dons site, but it never clicked with me it was the domination that made its plate number

Revcollector, thank you for explaining how they were used, very interesting!
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Posted 11/17/2023   1:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcanman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One of the major reasons that selvage on revenue (and postage) stamps is so scarce is that it was gummed paper and used for all sorts of purposes such as making seals, repairing torn paper, affixing stamps in albums, etc. etc. In other cases the selvage may have been removed by a well-meaning, but misguided collector in order to nicely fit a stamp into a defined album space.
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Posted 11/21/2023   8:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
An even more common reason was the available space on documents was often very limited, and the margins had no value for paying the tax, but did use up valuable space.
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Posted 11/22/2023   03:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revcanman:
the selvage may have been removed by a well-meaning, but misguided collector in order to nicely fit a stamp into a defined album space

ohhhhh nooooooo
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Posted 11/22/2023   08:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is totally possible that no selvage was removed from the strip at all, and that this is all there was when it was printed.
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