3 Cent 1909, 10 Perforation

Hi all.
Is this brand valuable?
Perf.10
Please help me identify the stamp, there is no such stamp in the catalog with 10 perforations.

Scott #426?

@Hunter123cc,

We have told you many many times to stop counting the perforations. A perforation gauge 10 is a perforation gauge 10. The catalogue will not list one that has 10 teeth and one that has 11 teeth separately.

You, obviously, are using 'The Swedish Tiger' website.
Do yourself a favour and have a look at both #426 and #464.

https://goscf.com/t/85239&whichpage=1#789347

Both have nine full perforation holes. Now, click on #464. Where it says 'Plate Numbers', you see a block of stamps. The stamp at top centre, just below the plate number '7253' has 10 full perforation holes at top.




When this website does not show the stamp with the number of full perforation holes and your pre-cancel, it does not mean that
1. it does not exist with ten perforations, and
2. it does not exist with your pre-cancel.

These are just examples.

Your other post gives another example.

https://goscf.com/t/85238&whichpage=1#789348

The Swedish Tiger states

https://www.theswedishtiger.com/ID418.html

"10 Perforations" but shows a stamp with nine perforation holes.

Cliking on the stamp, at top it says "Perf. 10"

https://www.theswedishtiger.com/437-scotts.html

In the section "Basic Info", it says "Perforations: 10".
Where it says "Plate Numbers", there is a block from plate 5775. The stamp at the bottom right has 10 full perforation holes.

The Swedish Tiger website is terrible as far as it uses "perforations" and "perf." where it means only "perf." that stands for perforated gauge 10.

Please, stop understanding that "perforations", literally, means the number of perforation holes or the number of teeth. It means the number of full perforations per 2 centimetres and should not be counted but measured.

NCK
Thank you, I always measure perioration and count it for myself

Back to the beginning. Counting teeth will get you NOWHERE and since that has been the basis of every single post in these multiple topics we are, wait for it, nowhere. So, one more time….




Here you can print a gauge:

https://stampsmarter.org/learning/F...rfGauge.html

Unless the OP gets with the program we are pretty much wasting time. I have a strong feeling at this point that we are being toyed with but let's once more give benefit of doubt and see what happens.

I think from what I've read so far in the many posts Hunter decides to ask questions, is that NO MATTER what any experience member from this Forum tells him COUNTS for him, he WON'T just listen and will keep arguing things that make no sense at all, I know that all members have good intentions and want to help, but this man just won't listen and will keep wasting everybody's time, so my advice to all members just STOP answering to his posts and then maybe,( MAYBE) he may realize is time to stop wasting everybody's time, and maybe he might start to do more research about stamps before posting ridiculous questions.

We are giving him a chance especially in light of the language translation issues, I appreciate everyone 's patience.

But I do have an issue with posting nearly 50 times in 48 hours, it is excessive. I wish he had started slowly with 1-2 stamps and I wish he was not using every notorious "rare stamp" touting website online. The next day or two will determine how this unfolds.
Don

FWIW, just posting this solely as information only. I'm by no means advocating replacing the use of the perforation gauge which should be used with stamp in hand. Its just a "first look" quick way to determine perfs. when sorting groups, or when viewing photo/scans. It works on the East/West perfs. since the W/Fs are approx. 2cm. wide. See Pages 315-317.

http://75.101.135.193/PDF/Specialist_653/24141.pdf

Well, stop doing that and use a perforation gauge.

Al,
Your link requires and account to access.
Don

The gist of the article:
For the question "Is it perf 10 or 11 or 12?" you simply count, along the vertical stamp frames, the perfs or holes (or however the perfs start and end at the top and at the bottom) and take 90% of it. Frame heights of W/F stamps are typically around 22mm so that is good enough.
I'm not giving Hunter123cc any leeway here, it's just what the dealers I know do when they/I do a quick "perforation assessment". Every stamp has a good "start point" either at left or right so this works 100% of all times.

Knowing that OP is using some kind of online translation tool, here's what I hope is a translation-friendly explanation:

Perforations are small rows of holes punched between stamps to make them easier to separate.
We do not count the number of holes or teeth along the edge of the stamp.
We use a "perforation gauge" to measure the number of holes or teeth within two centimeters.
If a stamp has 11 perforations in 2 centimeters, we say it is "Perf 11."
Again: there is no reason to count the holes or teeth. You must use a "perforation gauge."
The number of holes or teeth along the edge of a stamp is not important.

classic_paper: The guy has posted many images with a perforation gauge, applied correctly. So he knows how to use one. His irritation comes from noticing that stamps can have a variable number of perforation holes (mostly coming from slightly varying stamp sizes) and that this would have any meaning.
I have no idea what he will tell us when he comes to introducing us to his rare commemorative-sized stamps...

You misunderstood me a little.
I always measure perforation first, the golden rule.
In the photo there are 10 perforations, 10 teeth.