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I Found A Used Scott #361

 
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Posted 10/09/2023   01:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stampavalanche to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This is an awesome find. I'll be sending it for a cert today.

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Posted 10/09/2023   01:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampavalanche to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Posted 10/09/2023   02:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not a bluish paper. I will show a picture of a bluish paper. Hint: it is not blue.
The picture shows ordinary paper and on the right bluish paper which is more gray. Forget blue with bluish paper and forget the cert. You need a lot more study and advice before even considering a cert.



Improvement of the image in the link edited after Don's informative image.










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Posted 10/09/2023   02:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Succes with your certificate. I hope it comes back as you wish.

However, if you think it is a blue paper based on that blue colour at the bottom, that looks like running of the ink.
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Posted 10/09/2023   03:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampavalanche to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well that's a bummer. Thanks for letting me know. The hunt continues...
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Posted 10/09/2023   04:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the link above does not really help identify a blue paper stamp, here is an image of blue paper stamp (one on left). Note how when stamps are placed against an orange background the gray hue of an 'blue' stamp will jump out at you.
If possible, always ty to scan/view with another stamp of the same issue. Additionally and with blue inked stamps like the 5 cent, blue ink can sometimes be seen on the surface of the stamp (for example, poor wiping of the printing plate) and this is often mistaken for 'blue paper'.


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Posted 10/09/2023   07:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That would have been quite the find given that the PSE population of used 361's is zero.
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Posted 10/09/2023   09:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are 5 known, 3 of which are on cover.
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Posted 10/09/2023   10:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott 361 is perf 12
Your stamp is perf 11.

Add: the data above regarding number of known copies provides you insight to the odds of finding the next one. It does NOT provide any concrete data on the characteristics of your specific stamp, which must be evaluated individually on its own merits, which is this case fails on the perforation rate.
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Posted 10/09/2023   11:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But the 5 cent plate wash is a common mistake made by beginning collectors.
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Posted 10/09/2023   1:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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which is this case fails on the perforation rate

I am SO glad that you used the phrase perforation rate which is best measured (by newbies) with a calibrated perforation gauge.
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Posted 10/10/2023   12:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampfire to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much for the pics of the #369. It appears to me that many on Hipstamp aren't
369's. I sold mine about 15 years ago to a collector for $75.00. Haven't been able to find a decent one at decent price since.
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Posted 10/17/2023   8:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sandman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Avalanche. Made the same mistake a few years back with a 369 from Momen at Hipstamp. He insisted it was Blue.
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Posted 10/18/2023   1:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stephen-P to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey stampavalanche.
I was like you just a year ago. Even after looking at the accurate pictures provided in this site, any 1908 definitive with an off-white color would still look like "bluish paper" to me because I truly didn't know what I was looking for. Every person on here has started out the same way, so don't feel bad about that.

Here is a piece I may have considered a candidate for bluish paper at that time:



It looks similar to yours, although mine is in much worse condition... The color of the paper has changed just enough to be noticably bluer/grayer than other 361s, but the reality is that paper can change drastically depending on a number of reasons.

Getting a cheap mint copy to study in-hand is your best bet, especially one with original gum. And your money would be better spent on obtaining one of these to increase your own experience before sending it to the people who DO have experience, then striking out.
If you get a certificate that says "not bluish paper", it doesn't really help you much.

Rule of thumb I've learned with this issue: The closer the stamp is to it's originally printed condition, the easier it is to identify.

Here is a 358 I now use for reference:




After having the experience of holding a mint example in hand, it would be impossible for me to make the same mistake as before. Not only does the rag stock change the color of the paper, but it gives the overall composition a kind of a waxy appearance, imo. The pictures from Don and Redwood are totally spot-on, but nothing beats in-hand observation if you really want to have full confidence in what you're looking for.
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Posted 10/18/2023   2:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe the topic title should be changed to "I Thought I found a Used Scott 361".
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