Harding Scott 613 Is This The Real Thing?

I will match the donation of John Becker, when his is made, on the same terms.

To be honest, I'm unsure that I'll recall that it's important to show certification or reply if I don't receive one but I will try. Not familiar with the resizing of pics but did what I thought may work and link below? Anyway, wish me luck. (Although I doubt I'll have an issue)?

I doubt luck influences the outcome. But good luck anyway!

Funtasy, if I superimpose the imperforate version of the stamp (Scott 611) on your stamp the width AND the height match. Since the imperforate version is flat plate so is your stamp.

That is exactly why I mentioned "don't tell anyone you have one". I seriously didn't join the post to debate if I had one and all the reasons which I don't. If one believes comparing stamps of such details by any method, it's my opinion it would be rare to have things match for a reasonable way to validate a stamp. As I mentioned before, if we could make those judgement calls today, with the technology we currently possess, then there wouldn't be a need to send our stamps out for certification. We could simply zap a pic to the authenticators and skip the trips back and forth, postage, insurance etc. however, we all know it isn't that simple and would be nice if it were to occur someday in the future but for now, I'll take my gamble that since my grandfather got this stamp in his collection once upon a time, he didn't and wouldnt repreforate any stamp. I've had it since 1992 and I'm certain grandfather has not recognized it. Yet, once again, this is the reason I said silence is far better than saying anything. I knew better, and realize some have not learned that yet, myself included, obviously. I was only attempting to offer their initial poster some hope rather than what I knew would occur, which is, nothing but" you don't have one" and from 650 miles away, someone finds the need to say that rather than sharing ones knowledge that might assist the gentleman to determine if he was wasting his time and money to have it certified. I on the other hand did not ask any questions and regardless of ones methods, I feel fairly confident that I've tried all the various methods for measurement as well as appearance and it's very clear, plate was wiped on this one so I'll spend the time and money yet if anyone else feels led to offer a doubt, I more than likely won't return until I have a yes or no in print where experts have it to examine in front of them as I have but I do understand the obvious doubt by another, thing is it's mine and I have no doubts. Not saying I've never been wrong and very certainly will be wrong many times again and again. Make it a great day fellows! Best wishes stampin #128175;#128540;
Just better things to do than debate, why I choose to stay away from Washington.

Funtasy you must be clearer which one of your harding you think it's a 613? Your photos ar not usable to asses if you have a possible scott 613. The 1908-23 Washington/Franklin series as comparative pieces do not produce any insightful results.

I'm a bit harsh now but first learn to differentiate flat plate from rotaries. Take a proper scott 612 perf, 10 or franklin green scott 581 perf 10. They are worth a few cents.
Now cut out the corners of the stamps ( scott 612 or scott 581).This stamp is your comparative piece.
Take your possible rotary harding perf 11 scott 613 on the table with face side up.
Oh waith...Turn the stamp. Look on the back of the stamp you see some ink specks on your possible scott 613? If yes....unlikely it's a rotary stamp.
Turn the stamp again.
Take the cutted stamp over the possible scott 613. Make the corners flush on the above or below finishing line (the finishing line of the image of the stamps). if the finishing lines above and below of your possible scott 613 matches with the cutted rotary stamp than we can debate here again.

You can also take a regular flatplate scott 552 franklin green or Harding scott 610 both perf. 11. Actually here you must look that the possible scott 613 is slightly taller than the cutted flatplate stamp
a fingernail width (the rotary scott 613 is a quarter mm taller than the flatplate scott 610, the same applies for scott 552 flatplate to the rotary scott 596).
The rotaries are also slightly wider than the flatplates. But the heights are the important factor to asses scott 613 and scott 596. Franklin green scott 594 would be the wide to take up all the attention.

Don't take a ruler it will get you into wishful thinking (a quarter mm is almost impossible to measure on a stamp image because you must measure the possible rotary exactly on one point of the finishing line like you measure the flatplate (and here come the incorrect results).

I really have no idea why people think others are ignorant? Or possibly it's trying to show others how intelligent you are however, no offense but it's unintelligent to me. UNBELIEVABLE, ANYONE CONTINUES TO ATTEMPT REPEATING METHODS WHICH ARE IN EVERY SEARCH FOR WAYS TO IDENTIFY A 613.
Seriously, I'm not trying to be rude, but unless you read what's been said, just keep your beak out of my posts.
I personally find what you proposed as a waste of space. Turn this then move that. Come on, you really think I've not tried those? Believe me when I tell you I've tried every possible method and from my experience, your methods are far from my choices after using them. After throwing those away long ago, as a progression of attempts to determine if it was a real 613....you will find a few things that just work ... and most leave you wondering.
I'm not wondering any more because I've wondered after using those ideas you offered.
I would say I appreciate it but in all honesty, I do not. At this point, I suppose being rude might be the only way to supress ignorance? IDK but I do wish I'd never said one word because it's nothing but bull chit !
Please, do not reply to my post. I was not the original beginner of the post nor am I asking for assistance. All methods rewritten within this post will only leave another continuing to wonder if it's real. If you read my words, you would find some experience there but obviously some aren't familiar enough to pick out the good things that solves the wonders.

Seriously guys, I don't want to be a butt...."butt" please just let what ever it is that keeps leading another wanna be scholar to reply and sit on your fingers if necessary.
Im quite certain that after researching the intricacies of stamps for over 30 years, few have any real contribution to offer me.
Furthermore, had you read what I wrote, you would have already known I don't want to come back in here for this kind of thing only to waste my time.

WHO'S NEXT ?????

If by chance I needed assistance, I'd ask someone like Roger Kirby or Bill Crowe but I've already spoken with both of them only to name two.
I'm no troll but one is welcome to call me names or think what you choose...just please be finished with whatever it is your attempting to offer. I did not ask for help. I'll repeat that.
I did not ask for help!
Good day!
Take a deep breath and don't get mad.

Redwoodrandy or whatever the name is withdraws his reply calling me a troll?
Pillar of the community?
I've learned once again to just not get involved in forum discussions.
Please excuse me! It's my fault and the fault of boone other than myself.

I would also like to see the certificate, whether confirming or denying your find. Will you send it in soon?

Let's all step back a take a deep breath here.

Funtasy, you have come into this forum like a bull in a china shop pushng back at some very experienced collectors here who ARE able to make very astute observations from good scans/photos. Yes, it's probably time to send it off to a certification service and get their first-hand examination and lay the discussion to rest. Please tell us where you will send it. Also, just curious with your extreme confidence, will you believe the results when they return?

To the veterans here, we've all been around this block before. I miss seeing a post here from Don to bring some order to the chaos. Perhaps it's time to let this rest until a certificate is posted.

And to be honest, if I came across a 2 cent Harding which met the criteria for a 613, I know I have the comparison examples, tools, and knowledge on how to examine it, etc. I would send it in, then report the positive results. But alas, the odds are extremely long and I have never found one, nor had the winning lottery ticket.