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Denmark 1875 Royal Emblem 4 Ore Stamp

 
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Malaysia
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Posted 10/23/2023   02:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Davbrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Greetings,
Just want to know if this is an ordinary occurance on a Denmark 1875 Royal Emblem 4 Ore stamp? Look at the the figure '4' in the center, its seem to have grow another leg!!(sorry not intended)
Any feedback is greatly appreciated, thanks.
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Netherlands
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Posted 10/23/2023   03:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Use a magnifier to see if this is a lack of ink and not a part of the surface that is missing because a sticky object was on top of it, or some piece of paper sticking to your stamp.

If it is not damage to the surface of the stamp or something stuck on it, it, likely, was caused by a foreign object (e.g., piece of paper) that stuck to the sheet when it was printed. When that foreign object fell off, it left an unprinted area.

That would be a nice variety.
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Denmark
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Posted 10/23/2023   06:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Viking123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Davbrian

It is a known flaw. I Denmark we oppereate with A-sheets and B-sheets because there normally was made two plates If I write 5A print 46 it equivalent to position 5 in Sheet A Print 46, if I say 5B Print 46 It is posit 5 Sheet B Print 46.

The 4 Øre is made in 130 prints.

Your Stamp Is Found at 65A Print 27 and also at 46B Print 29

Print 27 is made in 4.700.000 copys, you can divide it with 100 because it is the size of the sheet.

Print 29 is made 3.423.900 copys

Your stamp is to my best of knowledge Position 65 in the A sheet Print 27, and it is because I can't see any fault in the frame.



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Edited by Viking123 - 10/23/2023 08:01 am
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Posted 10/23/2023   1:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sorsh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Greetings, Just want to know if this is an ordinary occurance on a Denmark 1875 Royal Emblem 4 Ore stamp? Look at the the figure '4' in the center, its seem to have grow another leg!!(sorry not intended) Any feedback is greatly appreciated, thanks.


Yes it's a known flaw, referred to as the "nose drop" there are 2 similar a small and a larger, yours is the larger.

@Viking123

you must have the correct nomenclature if you're going to "teach" :)

the correct way of referring to certain positions is 4ø27 A65 or in cases of single sheets 100ø1 65, 50ø1 65 etc.

and you're not correct, this stamp is print 29 position B46. The frametype 4D is clearly visible.

here's another copy of the same ovalflaw in 4ø27 A65 (frametype 4I)


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Denmark
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Posted 10/23/2023   4:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Viking123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Sorch

Well, you learned from Lasse Nielsen. I could see it was a 4 øre stamp no problem and I know he use another Nomenclature, then you use the print first and position afterwards, well guess the position is still the same no matter what Nomenclature you use.

I was not teaching anything I just explained what I was refering to, I do not use LN Books, may he rest in peace, he did a lot of good things for Danish Filateli through his life, wrote a lot of articles and litterature, I have some of his books, but I'm not collecting to farvede, that said I do know a little about it, but not as much as you Sorch, I'm glad you could inlighten me.

And you right I'm wrong about the frame I couldn't see the spot under the right upper frame but it is there, looked like a pice of the stamp, however I can't see the spot in lower drawing, but it schould be there.

It is a nice 4 øre stamp 65A print 27 you show, ( maybe you schould explain the frametype, what is 4D and 4I? I'm not sure, we all know what you are reffering to, and you sound like a good "teacher" :-) )
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Posted 10/23/2023   5:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Willwood42 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Brian, Welcome back. It has been a long time, but good to see you won't let anything about Danish philately go by untouched.
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Edited by Willwood42 - 10/23/2023 5:44 pm
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Malaysia
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Posted 10/24/2023   08:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Davbrian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you @NSK, @Viking123, @Sorsh & @ Willwood42 for spending the time to enlighten me about this stamp...I m happy that I ve gained much more knowledge as of today compared to yesterday before you guys enlighten me with regards to this stamp....so, the conclusion here isis, it's not a forgery stamps, right?...& does this flaw give any monetary added value?So much to learn here... appreciated it very much!
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Posted 10/24/2023   12:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sorsh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Hi Brian, Welcome back. It has been a long time, but good to see you won't let anything about Danish philately go by untouched.


:) I pop in from time to time...
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Posted 10/24/2023   12:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sorsh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Frametypes from maingroup 4 (these stamps)

look at the "flaws" that characterize 4D and you'll see that at least the lower is visible the upper is partly hidden behind a cancel but with experience it's evident.

also the perforation can be used to determine if it's print X or print Y.. since one is from the 5th vertical and the other is from the 6th. (this takes practice and some never learn no matter how hard they try)

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Denmark
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Posted 10/24/2023   3:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Viking123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Sorch

Flot oversigt

@Davbrian
Yes, the stamp give added value, but there is always a but.
You have to examine the stamp first, is it velcentret, is it fully perforatede or is there Perf missing, is it coloure fresh, is the postmark well centret, clean and redable. You have to be self critical when you want to know a prize for a stamp. I can ask this question, if your stamp and Sorch stamp both had a value of +20$ to the value of the stamp and you both wanted to sell for ec. 10$ which one would you buy? ofcource there will be collectors of to farvede that could be interested in your copy in a reference collection, but I wouldn't go for gold :-)

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Malaysia
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Posted 10/26/2023   02:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Davbrian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Viking123

Absolutely true, couldn't agree you more, points well received & understood.
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