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Posted 11/03/2023   7:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Stamps4Life to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone help with a Scott number for the attached? 1958 Great Britain. I see Sc 338,339 & 340 - but those are a different size. This scan is from an older Big Blue




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Posted 11/03/2023   7:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As described in https://goscf.com/t/85403#791278 those are not Great Britain proper, but Welsh regionals. See "Wales & Monmouthshire" after the main GB section in Scott (or look up Wales in the index). Appears to be Scott 1, 3, 5 respectively from 1958. There are other denominations (4p 9p and 1sh6p from 1966-67) plus another set of unwatermarked denominations from 1967-69 at Scott #7-12.
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Posted 11/03/2023   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks. The above is in the Great Britain section….
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Posted 11/04/2023   04:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In 1958, the GPO issued regional stamps. These used the Wilding portrait used for the nationwide permanent stamps. Stamps were issued for Guernsey, Jersey, Isle of Man, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales and Monmouthshire.

The stamps have different designs that include a symbol for each region. The regional stamps replaced the nationwide Wildings at post offices in the individual regions. Other Wilding values were not replaced.

The stamps were issued by the British GPO. They were valid anywhere in the United Kingdom, Isle of Man, and the Channel Islands. Although intended and known as regionals, it is correct that you find them in the Great Britain section.

And, as usual with British stamps, they come with paper, watermark, and phosphor varieties.So, happy hunting!

A small selection that will show you the ones in your image:
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Posted 11/04/2023   04:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm. I switched the 6d. and 4d.
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Posted 11/04/2023   04:46 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Although, aesthetically, I'd have mounted the 6d in the middle, framed by the two other designs.
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Posted 11/04/2023   05:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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As described in https://goscf.com/t/85403#791278 those are not Great Britain proper, but Welsh regionals.


I understand why you would say so. However, as explained above, they were valid in 'Great Britain' and also sold at the philatelic counter in London.
All 'regionals' issued by the GPO / Royal Mail ( / Consignia ) were valid 'nationwide'. Guernsey, Jersey, and the Isle of Man at one time or another became postally independent and even the own 'regionals' became invalid there.

The fun part is that the Isle of Man regional 'Machins' were no longer valid in the Isle of Man from 1973, but remained valid in the UK until 31 July 2023.
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Posted 11/04/2023   05:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Stamps4Life,

considering the many British stamps you have been posting about, would it not be a good idea to look for a second-hand Stanley Gibbons GB Concise catalogue? You might find a cheap edition from 20 or 30 years ago.


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I see Sc 338,339 & 340 - but those are a different size.


Are they these?



See more about these here:

https://goscf.com/t/79587#722279
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Posted 11/04/2023   05:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Decimal regional Wildings

Wales, Scotland, label, Wales, Scotland
Ulster, Wales, Scotland, Ulster, Ulster
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Posted 11/04/2023   09:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamps4Life to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@NSK -
Thanks for your link example. Perfect. I wonder what exactly the album is I have here - https://goscf.com/t/85443 ?

I was trying to fill those 3 spots I showed that are in my Big Blue from the Gibbons album and other empties. Then figure out what to do with all the other British varieties. I don't really collect them - BUT - they are an interesting lot now that I'm doing it. I have bunches of older embossed, KGV shades , graphite lined etc.

I'd like to try and get them organized. I went with filling spots in my Big Blue as a first step. Another issue I'm trying to overcome , just the way I am, I've always never been able to get over mixing auction lots , so combining these in an album goes against my make up. So I have to get over that too! But I'm trying to get better

The 338, 9 and 340 you posted are what I saw. And the other sheet you post are what's in my BB.
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Posted 11/04/2023   3:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, your pictures do not provide the required information.

It is a DAVO Luxe binder for Great Britain. The spine identifies the exact product.
Instead of 'DAVO' it may show the letters SG. That is the old Stanley Gibbons one country album.

The index page appears to be from the Stanley Gibbons Great Britain Queen Elizabeth album made by DAVO.
It was just a re-arranged set of DAVO Great Britain albums containing only the pages from 1952 onwards. It did not come with the pages with pre 1952 stamps. They had the same binders. However, volume I does not start in 1840, but in 1952.

It has the page with the Penny Black. That came from the ordinary Great Britain volume I (exact same binder, different content). My guess is it started life as a Stanley Gibbons (DAVO) Queen Elizabeth Album and someone transferred pre-QEII pages to one of the volumes of that set.

The pages should have a type of pre-fold at left, to allow them to remain flat when the album is opened. If they do not have those, the pages come from an older version of the hingeless album (volume I).

If there is no number on the spine, someone bought sets of pages and put them in the generic DAVO (SG) Great Britain Luxe binder.
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The pages are prefolded. I think someone just added pre QEII as you described. With all the multiples I have, maybe I can make my own and add to it?
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Posted 11/04/2023   3:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is either:

a: the SG one country Great Britain album volume I with the index page of the SG Great Britain Queen Elizabeth II album volume I added, or
b: the SG Great Britain Queen Elizabeth II album volume I with the pages of the SG one country Great Britain album volume I added.

They are the same binders. DAVO replaced its own name with that of Stanley Gibbons.

The most logical is b. The pages may have come from an album, or may have been bought separately. I suspect the latter. Maybe someone started out with the QEII album (set) and expanded it buying the earlier pages. Since it is the SG binder, it will have been bought in the UK. Elsewhere, DAVO used its own brand name.
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