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French Levant Perfin

 
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Posted 06/29/2010   12:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Cjd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here is a French Levant issue with what certainly appears to be a perfin. It is upside down to assist in looking at the perfin, with a blue background to help it "pop" a bit.

It seems to be a C and (maybe) an L, separated by some distance. I've included a detail of the C.

Is this something other than what you'd traditionally define as a perfin? I'm only skeptical because I've never run across a French Levant perfin before.

Thanks for looking.





[edit: By the way, does anyone agree that this postmark is Constantinople-Galata?]

[second edit: I found an auction result for a German Levant cover that included this particular perfin as a Credit Lyonnais perfin (on a CL envelope, so seemingly pretty reliable as a source). The other Credit Lyonnais perfins that I had seen were overlapping, along the lines of a monogram, so I had ruled that out.]
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Posted 06/29/2010   02:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
G'day Colin,
I have the same perfin on a Belgian.

Probably Credit Lyonaise but not proved in my experience.

Advise if you want a close up, to inspect the punctures,
and I'll try and dig it out.

(seen here top left right)



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Edited by rod222 - 06/29/2010 03:01 am
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Posted 06/29/2010   10:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the scan. I think they are the same. Subtle. With the small size and the wide spacing, it makes me wonder if it was originally designed to miss the vignette on a particular stamp. I have nothing on which to base that, of course.
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Posted 06/29/2010   11:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


I believe that the C.L. perfin you have scanned was used by the Credit Lyonaise. They were a large banking company that had offices thoughout Europe and Afica and the perfins do vary from the different locations and eras.

Chimo

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Posted 06/29/2010   11:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The digital trickery on that Red Star Line perfin side-by-side really plays with a person's mind.

It is probably just some quirk with the wiring in my brain...

C.
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Posted 09/24/2016   10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

French Levant
seek assistance PERFIN CL ? FC?

An CL PERFIN is discussed in the Perfin catalogue 2011 Page 46
but unable to locate it on the internet.

Could it be cjd's.........

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[second edit: I found an auction result for a German Levant cover that included this particular perfin as a Credit Lyonnais perfin (on a CL envelope, so seemingly pretty reliable as a source). The other Credit Lyonnais perfins that I had seen were overlapping, along the lines of a monogram, so I had ruled that out.]




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Edited by rod222 - 09/24/2016 10:30 pm
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Posted 09/24/2016   11:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Credit Lyonnaise Poss Constantinople (supported by Postmark)

also Cse on Pmk may = Constantinople.

http://zenius.kalnieciai.lt/europe/.../french.html



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Edited by rod222 - 09/24/2016 11:23 pm
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Posted 09/25/2016   04:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The postmark is "CONSTANTINOPLE - GALATA / POSTE - FRANCSE".
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Posted 09/25/2016   05:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice work. Thanks Nigel.
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