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WWI Possible 498f Booklet Pane Stamp On Postal Card

 
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Posted 11/22/2023   12:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add texasguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Need help on this one! Postal Card with extra 1c stamp mailed from France in WWI. Soldier sent it home when he arrived in France. No Date, but two straight-line cancel text: MAIL CENSOR/US ARMY BASE.

The 1c stamp is perf 11 on 3 sides, and no perfs on the bottom, so it appears it originated at the bottom of the sheet -- or the bottom row of the 498f Booklet Pane of 30 that was sent to Europe for use earlier.

I appreciate any opinions on this one! Many Thanks!



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Posted 11/22/2023   2:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You have all the markings which may help get a good certificate. Until you get the cert, it is just speculation.

As an aside, most such arrival notices were sent free during the war.
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Posted 11/22/2023   3:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see this getting a positive cert for the following reasons:

The side margins of the genuine article are always very tight, much tighter than this stamp shows.

The bottom stamps will show either a guideline close to the design or a wide margin, much wider than what is shown here.

Take a look at intact panes to see what I mean:

https://bid.siegelauctions.com/powe...SortOrder=-1
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Posted 11/22/2023   3:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The bottom stamps will show either a guideline close to the design or a wide margin, much wider than what is shown here.


I must contradict this broad-brush generalization and submit Kelleher Sale 635 of the "Keystone" Collection of booklets, lot 1425.



While I agree, wide margins tend toward confirmation, a narrow margin does does not eliminate the possibility.
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Edited by John Becker - 11/22/2023 3:52 pm
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Posted 11/22/2023   4:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't see this getting a positive cert for the following reasons:


It is an opinion. "Broad brush"? How so? How should I have expressed my opinion. You can look at over 130 examples in the link I provided and see a definite pattern, common characteristics. That is hardly "broad brush".

I am going to stuff a turkey now.

PS: What is the certificate info for the lone Kelleher example?
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Posted 11/22/2023   4:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I stand fully by my post which quotes a completely different part of your original that what you seem to object to, that you made a broad-brush generalization which implies a condemning feature of the OP's stamp. I presented a factual example to refute it.
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Edited by John Becker - 11/22/2023 4:30 pm
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Posted 11/22/2023   5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 11/23/2023   12:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No need for a smiley attack.
This is how the sheets were cut up for booklet panes:


Positions W5, W6, W11 and W12 have stamps with a narrow bottom margin. W5 and W6 show the horizontal sheet cutting line (which is much closer to the design than on the regular sheets - this is a dead givaways for faked AEF panes made from ordinary sheets).

Your stamp could be a bottom stamp from positions W11 or W12. Only a certificate will tell, there are minute differences between ordinar sheet stamps and booklet stamps but this requires examples for a comparison.
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Posted 11/23/2023   07:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
DrKohler - I don't disagree with you. However, my initial comments were about more than just the bottom of the stamp and myopia has set in for some. The space between the design and perforations of the OPs stamp is larger than any genuine AEF examples I can find. The difference is striking. At the risk of being accused of broad brush proclamations I render an opinion that the bottom of the OPs stamp being ragged (torn rather than cut) along with the amount of real estate between the design and side perforations likely means a negative or inconclusive opinion. I could be wrong. It is an opinion, part of having a healthy discussion.

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