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24 Cents Ribbed Paper Scott 164

 
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Posted 01/21/2024   2:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stamphunter1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi Folks
I have this stamp and certified at the PF. In their Opinion it's the regular scott 153 not ribbed paper.
When you look at the stamp (or photos) you clearly see that it has apparent ribbing on the paper. You see it also on the front. The PF didn't explain me why its not the ribbed paper. What's your opinion abouth this stamp? I know that the first scott 164 ribbed paper had a very long way ( two decades) to gain recognition that scott 164 exist. Could this be the reason why the PF doesn't recognize this stamp as scott 164 or I miss important arguments that the stamp in question is not ribbed papers? Thanks








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Posted 01/21/2024   2:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You're not showing a picture?


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Posted 01/21/2024   2:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamphunter1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peter I had problems to upload the certificate photos. Ok here it is.
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Posted 01/21/2024   2:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamphunter1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The left stamp in the picture I also have certified also scott 153. Has also some ribbing on it but not so pronounced like the right stamp in question.
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Posted 01/21/2024   3:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Where do you think the ribbing is visible?
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Posted 01/21/2024   3:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobInRye to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry stamphunter, but I'm not seeing ribbing. I'm seeing regular paper for the issue.
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Posted 01/21/2024   4:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
the only parallel lines I see are on the front of the stamp in ink - not in the paper
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Posted 01/21/2024   6:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamphunter1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@risny

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the only parallel lines I see are on the front of the stamp in ink - not in the paper
Yes I see that lines too.

@Bobynrye

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Sorry stamphunter, but I'm not seeing ribbing. I'm seeing regular paper for the issue.

Maybe I'm wrong here, but
what are all the vertical diamond shaped lines on the back of the stamp? Hard white wove paper doesn't have this structure of paper. And scott 154 is hard white wove paper (issued from the national bank note company).
I don't say it's ribbed paper (the title is confusing and I should edit it, of course it's unlikely to be scott 164 ribbed paper) but the paper structure doesn't look like hard wove paper to me. Can someone show an example of a certified hard white wove paper stamp where the structure on the back is visible (I can't find an example on google)?

Here some other scans of the stamp:







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Posted 01/22/2024   8:12 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely not ribbed paper. The best way to answer your questions would be for you to obtain examples of Continental Banknote Company printed stamps on actual ribbed paper so that you can see for yourself what CBNco ribbed paper looks like. The 2c, 3c, and 15c stamps are pretty obtainable. I could supply all three of them in fact.
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Posted 04/02/2024   3:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add locals4me to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm late to this posting but I do have a comment. Sometimes I will soak stamps to remove hinges, etc and then place on a paper towel to dry. Once dry, I put them in a bookbinders paper press, which exerts a lot of pressure on the stamps and makes them flat, if they curved during drying.
I have found that if I put the stamp on a paper towel, the paper press makes a 3D impression of its design onto the stamp if it is still even a little wet.
Perhaps something similar happened with your example.
John
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You make an excellent point. I also dry stamps on paper towels that have ridges, and then press them inside of phone books (remember those?) and sometimes see mottled patterns on the stamps after drying. Depending on the density of the drying fabric that someone used, it might have the appearance of ribbed paper.

I am reminded of the "bluish paper" stamps of 1909. To the untrained eye, a lot of stamps may look like bluish paper but really are not. Until you have seen a genuine bluish paper, then you can say "oh, that's what it is supposed to look like". The experts at the PF/PSE know what to look for, have the reference copies, and the microscopes and spectrographic tools to scientifically identify one from the other.

In case it wasn't mentioned earlier, the only known genuine and certified 164 (24 cent Continental printing, on ribbed paper) is back on the market for the first time in 20 years. Siegel will be auctioning it as part of the William Gross "Complete" US collection on June 14th. Start saving your pennies now.
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Posted 04/07/2024   09:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamphunter1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm late to this posting but I do have a comment. Sometimes I will soak stamps to remove hinges, etc and then place on a paper towel to dry. Once dry, I put them in a bookbinders paper press, which exerts a lot of pressure on the stamps and makes them flat, if they curved during drying.
I have found that if I put the stamp on a paper towel, the paper press makes a 3D impression of its design onto the stamp if it is still even a little wet.
Perhaps something similar happened with your example.
John

Hi John after soaking the stamps I always put them on a cotton tea towel to dry. When they are slightly moist I put the stamps between smooth printing paper on each site approx 10 papers. The stamps have generous spacing among themselves ,around 2 inches. Then I put heavy stampalbum on it for around 16 hours.
The stamp in question I did separately without other stamps.
It's excludet that this stamp become "ribbed" from
external factors.

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You make an excellent point. I also dry stamps on paper towels that have ridges, and then press them inside of phone books (remember those?) and sometimes see mottled patterns on the stamps after drying. Depending on the density of the drying fabric that someone used, it might have the appearance of ribbed paper.


I don't think that my drying technique after soaking the stamps would allow to get the impressions from towels, papers on the stamp.
Interesting point is that this stamp after pressed between the copy paper with the weight of the stamp album on it, was relatively flat. A few hours were needed that the fibers from the stamp reset to the original state.
On the scans we can see the stamp with the hinge before I soaked it.










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