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Can Anyone Read This Hebrew(?) Cancellation?

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Posted 01/27/2024   3:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add ZebraMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone read this Hebrew(?) Cancellation or Aux Marking?

These were all mounted on a page in a collection of fancy cancels with no information or attribution.

Does anyone recognize this marking? Is it a receiving cancellation, an auxiliary marking, or ??? Thanks.

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Posted 01/27/2024   3:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is Hebrew, although I have never seen it before. Alas, it has been far too many years since I studied it to remember the proper pronunciation.
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Posted 01/27/2024   5:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rdavid to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are the cancellations upside-down?
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Posted 01/27/2024   11:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Hebrew is inverted, yes.
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Posted 01/28/2024   12:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting. Since they were all about the same orientation I didn't think of looking at them upside down. With that, Google Translate is now able to recognize the letters but there is not enough there to get the full meaning. I get "Yelot/Yelen", "Villas", and "a loop" from Google Translate. Here are the stamps again, inverted and processed through Postmark Reveal if any of that helps to spark a memory. It is looking like this one will remain a mystery in my collection, just like how they came.

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Posted 01/28/2024   01:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rismoney to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am unable to translate
#1497;#1497;#1500;#1503;#1508;#1511;
the letters going from right to left are
yud, yud, lamed, nun sofit, pey, cuf.
A few interesting points in the letters. yud yud, is a substitution word for God (pronounced Adonai) if its a single "word" The Nun is a final nun (long line) so that is only used when its the last letter of a of a word. So you might have several words/name here. If its 3 words they would sound like Adonai Lan Pak. If its 1 word, the Yuds would be pronounced like Y. so like Yalanpak.




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Posted 01/28/2024   01:52 am  Show Profile Check clivel's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add clivel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Here is the image processed with ImageSleuth which can also rotate the image as part of the processing.



The six Hebrew letters (the sixth letter is visible on the bottom right stamp), reading from right to left, are Yod Yod Lamed Nun Fey Kuf.

Google Translate gives this as "will issue", which sounds plausible but doesn't help with explaining the origin.

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Posted 01/28/2024   03:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Since they were all about the same orientation I didn't think of looking at them upside down.

Didn't recognize that the letters were upside down (from the stamps' orientation)? #128563;
A few things to consider: 1) when these stamps were issued (1881 I think?) Hebrew wasn't used by anyone, anywhere, in an official capacity; 2) the letter are Hebrew, but Yiddish also uses that alphabet, so don't limit your attempts to just Hebrew; 3) Hebrew doesn't necessarily require the use of spaces in between words… the first few letters also spell the name "Yael," so these overprints might also just be the result of someone stamping their name a bunch of times.
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Posted 01/28/2024   05:31 am  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think these markings may be non-contemporaneous, and as classic-paper was mentioning, might be someone with a rubber stamp marking the stamps.
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Posted 01/28/2024   12:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Milco to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
...no translation for it, no Hebrew word in this composition..... I think that it is some kind of staff marking, as it can be English name, but written in Hebrew, like Ailen P, Ayalin P or something near it.

As I see Hebrew letters:
#1497;#1497;#1500;#1503;#1508;#1511;#1497;#1497;
....still nothing I can understand from it!


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Posted 01/28/2024   2:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the help and great insights. I wish that one or more of the stamps were still on cover to provide more clues. A possible scenario could be that some kid in the 1960s had a rubber stamp with funny symbols on it and wanted to play postmaster so he cancelled a stack of letters he found in his grandmother's attic with this rubberstamp (upside down). Thanks all.
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Posted 01/29/2024   3:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Checked with someone who knows. Most likely it is not Hebrew but either Yiddish or Aramaic. Unfortunately still no translation.
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Posted 01/30/2024   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Milco to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
...two things:

1) why Hebrew letters on this post disappear - replaced by numbers?
2) it is not Yiddish or Aramaic, it is very nice type of Hebrew!

...I discussed this topic with one of "old" Philatelist, and he think, it is canceled by someone, in big company/organization, law office or accounting company, where secretary will cancel all incoming mail with cancel that will say to where/whom/which sector to forward mail.

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Posted 01/30/2024   12:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add joe1225us to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do speak Hebrew and Yiddish, and don't think this cancellation spells anything.
I would add that the first two letters, Yud and Yud are never used twice in a row in Hebrew, as they are a used like that only to signify the name of G-d.
Think it is a kid playing postmaster or the like.
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Posted 01/31/2024   04:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Milco,

I believe the database on this site doesn't currently support Unicode (multi-byte) characters although modern browsers usually do.

This means you can type all sorts of characters when creating a post in your browser but any multi-byte characters such as are used to represent Hebrew or Cyrillic characters will be treated as two or more single-byte characters, both when they are saved in the database and then also when you view them from there using a browser.
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Posted 01/31/2024   12:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Two yuds in a row does happen in Yiddish. A final nun is never used as numbering. I still say Yiddish is most likely. But it still appears meaningless.
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