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Posted 02/02/2024   7:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add kevin_v to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
A quick Question.

I have seen a few pages here and on other forums where a person has the same stamp multiple times. For one page I saw that was for GB, it was all the same queen stamp. There were maybe 50, and all were evenly spaced out.

I have an American stock book, and there are several pages with just one stamp repeated on it.

I am sure there is a reason for it, but I am not sure why it is done.
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Posted 02/02/2024   8:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One reason may be that the collector is interested in varieties. Many face-identical or face-similar stamps come in different perf configurations, shades, paper types, dies, printing method, "fly specks," and others.
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Posted 02/02/2024   10:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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For one page I saw that was for GB, it was all the same queen stamp.

Didn't think I'd live to see the day, that a Canadian didn't recognize Queen Victoria. My shock aside, what you've likely seen, is a page for (variously) the Penny Black, Penny Red, or Penny Blue. Go here: https://www.warwickandwarwick.com/n...-stamp-guide and you'll quickly get to a section on "plating." That's what is being outlined on the album page, with room for one example from each sheet location from AA to TL. Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny...nting_plates
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Posted 02/03/2024   04:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When you write


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I have seen a few pages here and on other forums where a person has the same stamp multiple times. For one page I saw that was for GB, it was all the same queen stamp. There were maybe 50, and all were evenly spaced out.


Do you mean that the stamps also have the same colour?
Many countries issue permanent series of one design but with many face values and colours.

Below are two of my pages with the same stamp (same design, face value, and primary colour). These are not even all of these two designs.

Both series were in use for a long period of time. During this period of use, varieties were issued.

In the case of these stamps of King George V, there are changes in the watermark used. There are changes in the orientation of the watermark. However, there also were many printings. When ink was mixed for a new printing a slight variation in the colour occurred. Collectors of these stamps call them 'shades.' Such 'shades' are popular with GB collectors.



Below stamps of Queen Elizabeth II are known as 'Machins' after Arnold Machin, who designed them. When these were in use, many changes to the production of the stamps occurred. There are highly specialised catalogues of these stamps (e.g., The Deegam Handbook, Connoisseur Catalogue). Collectors of Machins like to collect many of these varieties that are almost invisible to the eye.



There, also, are people that put all stamps they encounter in a stock book. Some stamps are used a lot and people hold many examples of the same stamp in a stock book.
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Posted 02/03/2024   05:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As for Queen Victoria:

This stamp was printed from 10 plates. One plate was used before and after hardening. The stamp was then printed in a red colour. As stocks of the black stamps (Penny Black) were almost exhausted, an emergency printing took place using the new plate for the red stamp. Stamps from these twelve plates, often can be identified and collectors like to find one from each plate.

Also, you see the letters in the bottom corners. Each stamp in a sheet of 240 stamps had a different combination. Some people look for all letter combinations.



The red stamp of this design was in use for a long time, and many were printed from many plates and with varieties (perforation, watermark, colour, die, etc.). At first sight, they look similar, but you can have hundreds of different stamps that all look the same.




Then, they made minor changes to the design. The letters in the bottom corners were also added to the top corners in reversed order. And the plate number was engraved into the clichés. There are about 200 different plate numbers to collect. Here is one of those.



These also exist in Blue with a face value of Two Pence.

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Posted 02/03/2024   08:45 am  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"For one page I saw that was for GB, it was all the same queen stamp"

Could be Scott #33 with different plate numbers.
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Posted 02/03/2024   09:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kevin,
This would be a good time to insert a few images of what you are seeing or a link to them, so responses can be more than guesses. A picture is so valuable to getting meaningful feedback.
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Posted 02/04/2024   07:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin_v to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Found this image on here as an example.

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Posted 02/04/2024   11:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your last example looks like someone who is just keeping duplicates of the same stamp in a stockbook. Dealers might do that so they can find a copy for a customer.

But, to go back to your original comment of pages with the same queen, how about 120 pages with the same queen from the same position on the sheet (though four colors/varieties of the stamp)
https://victoria.cgpostal.com
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Edited by chipg - 02/04/2024 11:07 am
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Posted 02/04/2024   11:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I get a warning that link directs to a known phishing site.
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Posted 02/04/2024   3:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chipg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I get it too, and it's my site.
Nothing Phishy about it. No request for login, no passwords, no payment for anything asked. I wouldn't know what to do with anyone's information, even if I had it.
I tried both http and https on the URL and keep getting the warning.
It's all just simple html code. No Java, no anything. You can see the view source code from a browser.
If someone more technologically astute can figure out why that keeps coming up, I'd love to know.
Chip

PS - when you click on the "Read a report from Google" link on that warning page, you get this page:



It says it's safe. Don't understand it.
C.
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Edited by chipg - 02/04/2024 3:57 pm
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Posted 02/04/2024   5:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Noocassel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stock books as others say very often have multiple examples of the same stamp in them. Relatively common stamps I get as kiloware or pat of collection that has been split up go in my stock book, ideally I keep at least 4 stamps so when I come to mount them I can pick out the best. If I only save one I sometmes find I save a damaged or poor specimen. Machins and thing s with lots of vareties I save dozens of ostensibly the same stamp because I know closer inspection will reveal lots of variations. I can see it might be possible to identifystamps and put them straight in an album but I prefer to put possible "keepers" in a stock book for closer examination when I am nearing completion for a page or section of my album.
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Posted 02/04/2024   8:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin_v to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok. So I get that then.

As for Great Britain, maybe they were different in some way, but they were all blue, same value on them. Just looked at the odd, but as someone said, there may have been a difference that was not listed in the picture description.

And that is why I asked the question, I had no idea why someone would have done this. Now I know there may be a valid reason.
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Posted 02/05/2024   02:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since you never told us which Queen you referred to, it is difficult to say.
There the Two Pence blue of Queen Victoria. I know Floortrader once posted a scan with the 2 1/2d blue and rose of Queen Victoria that look the same, but have different plate numbers in the design.
If it is Queen Elizabeth II, it could be the 3p ultramarine Machin (see my scan of a page with 4d vermilion stamps from the same set).
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