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Posted 02/20/2024   07:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add kevin_v to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I know what a watermark is, but do all the stamps in a certain have them? Or is it only on certain ones in that run of stamps?

Overprint. I see that on stamps, but not sure why it was done, or how it changes the postal value of that stamp?

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Posted 02/20/2024   09:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kevin, watermarks were/are manufactured into the paper to give it a certain security. Not all stamps are printed on watermarked paper. Just a simple answer to your question.
Overprinting is basically done to change something on the stamp. Sometimes to change the value in case of a rate increase, or if a certain value is no longer necessary or if they are short of certain values. Or sometimes to change the reason for issuing the stamp, like when a monarch dies


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Posted 02/20/2024   09:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Overprints change the use of a stamp. Surcharges change the value of a stamp.
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Posted 02/20/2024   10:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Overprint is a very broad term for a physical process of any printing typically added later to a stamp to change it from the original.

With such a wide variety of overprints, each one has its own back-story for why it was created or needed.

There are then additional terms which describe cetain types of overprints:
A surcharge is a specific type of overprint which changes the value.
I can see a strong argument for a precancel to be a specific type of overprint due to its process and intent (but I get push-back on this).
Some countries overprinted their normal stamps to change the prupose making short runs of their first airmail and special delivery stamps.
An overpint might also be a black border to change a stamp into a morning stamp.

Much the way "pesticide" is a broad word and then we have fungicide, herbicide, insecticide, rodenticide, etc
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Posted 02/20/2024   10:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is also a SCF Glossary location in the upper left of every page https://www.stampcommunity.org/dictionary/

Additionally, there is an Illustrated Glossary on Stamp Smarter located here https://stampsmarter.org/Learning/G...aryHome.html
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Posted 02/20/2024   2:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kevin_v to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the more detailed explanations on Watermarks. I knew what they were, but most definitions do not fully explain how they work, and when you may find them.

Overprints I am still a bit confused because the definitions are vague as to why they may have been used and why they may have been used.

The ones I have seen as of late, I assume were due to the World War, or change in country associations. Many were on Germain stamps in and around wartime.

Last week I saw a link online to an article in a stamp magazine about overprints, but it was no longer there, so this was my next stop to ask more questions.

Again thanks, everyone.
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Posted 02/20/2024   2:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Overprint" is a very general term; there are dozens of reasons for them from simple ones such as a need for a currently unavailable face value to complex reasons like a total change in the country governing an area because of war.
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Posted 02/20/2024   2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
British stamps overprinted for use by the East Africa Forces of the British army in the occupied Italian colony of Somalia.



British stamps overprinted for use at British postal agencies in the French protectorate in Morocco.



A Dutch stamp overprinted to solve a shortage in another value.


or to use up existing stamps


British stamp overprinted as temporary measure until Ireland became a Free State and issued its own stamps.

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Posted 02/20/2024   3:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Netherlands stamps are surcharged, not overprinted.
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Posted 02/20/2024   3:48 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think we've been around this definitional minefield before. "Overprint" can encompass " surcharge", as the French " surcharge" encompasses "overprint".
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Posted 02/20/2024   4:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The Netherlands stamps are surcharged, not overprinted.


There was a printing on an existing stamp. Whether it changed the value or not is irrelevant. They were overprinted. As to what exactly constitutes a surcharge, I refer to GeoffHa's post.
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Posted 02/20/2024   9:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Noocassel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The King George the fifth stamps were overprinted by The Irish free state as an interim measure until they had designed and printed their own stamps.But they are still overprints. I agree overprints are any printing other than a cancellation,done after the stamp was first made, whether it changes the value or some other detail. Ther were some south american stamps that had more than 2 overprints, I don't know what country they are from as I can't identify the stamp it underneath the different overprints! Stanley gibbons publish a book titled: Philatelic terms illustrated. I find it a very useful book, I have a colection based on trying to have stamps and philatelic material illustrating English and American terms used in stamp circles. Scott and Stanley Gibbons albums explain quite a lot in the front of their catalogues.
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Posted 02/21/2024   02:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think also San Marino overprinted overprinted stamps.

And yes, Philatelic Terms Illustrated would be a good book, especially if you are European (still some different language between Europe and America, even when both are native English).
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Posted 02/21/2024   03:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Overprint and precancel.

The "Kans'' overprint, a short-lived experiment in 1929 in Kansas and Nebraska used as a measure of preventing losses from post office burglaries.
https://postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibit...ka-overprint

This series was not supposed to be precanceled, according to a 4/30/1929 postal bulletin, but "during Christmas rush, towns which had no users of precancel permits were authorized to precancel through the busy season as a time saver."
- from the APS handbook on Kansas-Nebraska Overprints by Schoen, DeVoss, and Harvey.
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Posted 02/21/2024   07:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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There was a printing on an existing stamp. Whether it changed the value or not is irrelevant. They were overprinted. As to what exactly constitutes a surcharge, I refer to GeoffHa's post.


Perhaps in Europe they do not differentiate. In the U.S., we do. And for a beginning collector, it might well be easier to remember it this way since it defines the particular way each was used. Which is more a accurate, less generic description.
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