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Posted 04/15/2024   6:33 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add 3193zd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Check out these bargains I made this past week!

cover 1. Scott HK 393 pair on a 2nd class airmail advertising cover. $2



cover 2. Scott 809 and 803 on postcard $2



cover 3. Scott 444 partial paste up coil on a franklin motor car advertising cover $5




Cover 4. Scott 353 on a post card, large margins! $2 what a find!


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Posted 04/16/2024   02:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add crispinhj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I love a bargain, but for those of us who are unaware of the nuances of collecting Hong Kong or USA - or indeed anything about collecting either country like me - could you explain why they are bargains please
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Posted 04/16/2024   08:51 am  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These were purchased either, way under catalogue value and or are tough to find especially in great shape on cover.
cover 1 tough to find a pair on an advertising cover at that rate.
cover 2 these prexies on a postcard, paying the correct rate not very common
cover 3 very hard to find this coil but a partial paste up on cover even harder $57+
cover 4 this stamp in great shape with large margins on cover, a super find $375+
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Michael Darabaris
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Posted 04/16/2024   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add crispinhj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for your reply, most interesting!
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Posted 04/16/2024   12:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As with many single coils I see labeled as rare, why are the top and bottom edges clearly not parallel on your 344? Or is this really bad lense distortion of your cheap camera lense? I can't figure how it would be an effect of pasting coils together...
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Posted 04/16/2024   2:34 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
the left side right along the left edge of the stamp border you will see the paper is glued along that edge. On the these earlier coils the edges weren't always parallel especially at the joining of the strips.
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Michael Darabaris
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Posted 04/16/2024   2:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


The green rectangle shows the bottom stamp edge is parallel, while the top stamp edge slants way upwards. That is not an effect of splicing together short coil rolls. My guess is splicing short coil rolls together never lead to exactly parallel pieces (since it was made by hand) but an angled splicing would lead to both edges being slanted in parallel.
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Posted 04/17/2024   8:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampsOnMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am not commenting here as an expert by any means on these early flat plate coils from the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. But it seems it would make more sense to paste together the few imperforate sheets and then feed that through the perforator where the slitting into coil strips also occurred, as opposed to trying to handle the tiny ends of slitted strips in pasting one at end of another.
If my assumption is right, then any non parallel result would only be a matter of the inked impression versus a slit edge, not the top and bottom slits (cuts) themselves. (Again, I am just wondering out loud.)

(corrected "flat press" to "flat plate")
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Edited by stampsOnMail - 04/17/2024 8:51 pm
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Posted 04/18/2024   09:10 am  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the definition of a paste up pair and how it was created. "The production of the first coil stamps, dating in the United States from 1908, began with the flat-plate-press printing of normal stamp sheets which contained the standard 400 images. The sheets were then gummed, perforated in one direction only, and cut in the other direction into twenty strips consisting of twenty stamps apiece. Strips would subsequently be pasted together to produce coils of 500 or 1000 stamps.[1] At each join, the paper from the end of one strip would overlap the beginning of the next (the overlap is termed a "paste-up tab"). A pair of stamps that straddles the join is known as a paste-up pair."
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Posted 04/18/2024   10:40 am  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry thats from Wikipedia
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Michael Darabaris
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Posted 04/18/2024   12:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a picture from the Bureau of Engraving and Printing archives:

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Posted 04/18/2024   4:49 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
SO I think you are correct Drkohler. the last format for flat plate printing evolved to "Auto-Wound" production process. this comes from the video:

The Production of Washington and Franklin Flat Plate Coils 1909-1915



So this is stamp Scott 444, flat plate stamp TY I has perf 10, 25 mm wide coil strip pasted up on the left
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