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How To Confirm A Brown Cancel On An Early US Cover

 
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Posted 05/09/2024   4:30 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add 3193zd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This cover has a Taunton Mass. cancel and the first collector wrote that it is a brown cancel. How would I go about verifying this? It looks like the back has brown ink marks as well. Did this town use brown ink for their cancels?



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Posted 05/09/2024   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All I know is that cancellations struck on buff covers often produce very misleading visual appearances of what color they really are. Blue and Red cancels often appear very different. I don't know that one could draw the conclusion that this is Brown, without previously knowing that Taunton had a Brown. Which is what you are asking of course.

The 1997 American Stampless Cover Catalog for Taunton, MA, only covers Taunton up to about 1862 and shows no Brown. Maybe there is something that covers the 1860s better ... a Massachusetts postal history book, maybe.
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Posted 05/09/2024   4:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For what its worth, Siegel sale 1109, lot 610 - looks like the same device.



Rumsey sale 105 Lot 3136 has a funny greenish blue one.
Same - sale 97 Lot 1113.
Same - Sale 51 Lot 2572, an earlier blue one
Same - Sale 31 Lot 1061 - closer to yours also on buff, changeling no doubt

I am skeptical, and suspect yours is one of the other colors, but I don't know the 1860s inks as well as I do the earlier ones. Brown is almost non-existent in the 1850s....
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Posted 05/09/2024   4:58 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Txstamp! yeah this envelope color can play tricks on your eyes.
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Posted 05/09/2024   10:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cjpalermo1964 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Iron gall inks, common in the 19th century, will undergo oxidation and hydrolysis with exposure to air and contact with paper and commonly change to brown as a result. The paper chemistry here is unknown and could have contributed to a color change. Documents written in black ink in the Revolutionary period commonly appear today as having faded brown ink.
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Posted 05/10/2024   01:51 am  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree Cj, but the black ink written from the sender and the recipient seems unfazed and look very black.
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Posted 05/10/2024   09:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I see no particular evidence of "selective fading" or degradation of the CDS versus the strong colors of the envelope and stamp and the bold addressing and docketing. Nor is the CDS brown.

What I see is a Taunton CDS mark in red, although lightly struck with a washed out (or more likely diluted) ink and a black killer, a fairly common combination in this era. Consider these two New England covers with bicolor marks:
1860 Boston, MS, and
1864 Providence, RI

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Posted 05/10/2024   11:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Putting the cover under UV might cause the postmark to show up more clearly, and enhance the original color.
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Both bicolors are Feb 29th covers. Nice one John. Any particular reason or postal regulation why the the red CDS and the black killer? Seems like a lot of effort.

If the clerk accidentally stamped the red CDS on the black pad, the ink would come out dark red which may appear tinted brown, especially once faded it would be hard to tell the original ink composition. (Brown is black plus red plus yellow, the yellow/orange cover in this case providing the yellow tint).
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Red and orange inks from back then can change color when exposed to sulphur in the air, such as in houses with natural gas from the sometimes slightly leaky light fixtures or stoves back then, or being kept in a box or drawer where there is some rubber, etc. This is sometimes referred to as oxidation or suphurization. Some (not all) black inks were also based on ingredients that included dark brown or red components and over time can fade or change into a brownish color. Such changling ink is considered by most collectors to be damage rather than some kind of newly discovered rare brown ink. Here is an example of this phenomenon in a stamp where you can compare the original color with an changed example. This stamp was never printed in brown ink.
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Posted 05/11/2024   10:44 am  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So yes I do know about changelings and oxidation, but the original owner had this for many decades and he is the one who wrote this on back. Also I don't think there is a color change on this one since all the other colors involved, the paper color, the stamps color, the text on the cover and even the ink trail on back hasn't seemed to fade. But I do think the cancel being on the golden yellow paper impacted the color we see. Scott catalog has this stamp listed with a brown cancel. I don't know how accurate that is. they also have 11 colors of cancels listed for this stamp that carry a premium. I have written to my friend at the APS to see what he thinks. This is not a rarity so sending for expertization is not an option.
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Posted 05/11/2024   11:10 am  Show Profile Check docgfd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add docgfd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I feel your pain. My Hudson, NY Marcophily exhibit has a possible brown cds included. Half of the judges believe it to be in brown ink, the other half, not so much...


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