What Else Could These Be And What To Look For?

So I'm pretty sure these are US Sc 707, 2¢ Carmine Rose. They were in an older bulk mixed lot I got. Besides maybe color reference, what else could I check for / could they be ??

there are scarce precancels on all the bicentennial denominations

Sorry, what?? How do you they are precancels? And what makes them scarce? I have another bag of them and only see a .25¢ value in Scott and no special notations that I see.

He doesn't. He said there are scarce precancels, not they are scarce precancels.

Oops - thanks!

Couple of neat perfins to Id and this , whatever those little numbers are….

Yes, they are all Scott 707. Of course the 25 cent value in Scott is the minimum value given to any stamp and is explained in the introductory sections of the catalog. A bulk lot of ~200 is going to be worth about the amount as the postage needed to ship it to someone.

In the image you show, I do not see any precancels, so I do not know why the thread went in that direction. Perhaps you have some in the other baggie?

Nor do I see any perfins, but they are harder to pick out in your image. If you can show those individually, then some of us can help ID them. Although interesting, the vast majority are common and of minimal value.

The letters/numbers on the envelope clipping are privately applied by the sender to their envelopes. (Note they are under the stamp.)

Lastly, some collectors of plate varieties examine accumulations of this type very closely for minor double transfers, scratches, plate cracks, etc.

707 has quite a few plate varieties according to the French Book.

Tks for the follow up. chasa, post below my original, mentioned precancel. Im not sure id know how to ID one. The picture I showed is the vast majority of 1 or 2 baggies. There was another baggie of about 50-60 on envelope cut outs. 1,2 or 3 of them were perfins and a few other interesting to me, probably common, cancels, I set aside for later. 99% of whats pictured I rebagged for donation to Boy Scouts, etc. I did read of an ' E ' error in States wording I believe and also I think a cracked plate error. But I think both of those were rare maybe?

They will be (mostly) like these with a town and state spaced to fit exactly on one stamp:

This one is among the most spectacular non-standard styles of precancel on this issue:

And of course, some perfins:

And some miscellaneous cancels which were interesting to me beyond the normal wavy-line machine cancels and got pulled for a stock page of ones to keep for now:

Your accumulation is quite void of interesting items (it looks like my own picked-over scrap pile of these!), although if it were mine, I would set aside the 2-3 best centered copies, the two stamps from the pane corners, the pair showing a roller cancel, and the two pairs which were once part of a block with a number 23 in the killer. What city is it from?

Hi John - sorry, I had already sorted & packed them for now. But pulled them again - are these the ones??





I didn't take the ones off paper with the perfins yet.... Which one is the roller cancel? Are you able to give me a tip? I may have pulled it too. Tks - William

It did in general look to be a big pile of ordinaries..... haha. But interesting too!

Pane corners:



Roller cancel:


Add: but regardless of what anyone else might pull out from an accumulation, YOU must satisfy your own collecting interests. The fact that these items were still intermixed, means that they did not ctach the fancy of a previous collector to deal with them separately.

yep, I had pulled those too....

You are on the right track, set aside anything that looks unusual or different from the rest. Those "oval cancels" are not scarce by any means, but less common than the ordinary wavy line cancels. Some people like to collect the entire set with the same cancellation, take this page from my Prexies collection for example:

It is a difficult challenge that you can do with otherwise common and cheap stamps to make compete a set with the same style of cancel.

The "roller cancel" that John mentioned I think is this one,

Here are more examples of that cancel, again from the Prexies:


John also mentioned that he would set aside the two corner margin copies in the picture, like this one:

Some OCD collectors like me enjoy putting together matched sets of all the 4 corners and side margins:


To most collectors, these individual stamps are worth no more than any other. But when I am faced with a pile of 200 of the same stamp, I would set aside any of them that do not look like the others and maybe someday the ones I pulled out will be of more interest to me or someone else, versus the other 195 of the same.

Got it. Thanks for all the examples. I think there's a song like that, which one of these things looks like the other.... haha. I've got another big bag of Franklins and something else I cant remember. When I get to them in the next handful of days, I hope, I'll post a pic. Maybe get a thread going - which one of these doesnt look like the other!!........ Thanks again.