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1864-66 Mexican Stamp Sc#23-D

 
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Posted 06/03/2024   3:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Murasama to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found this beauty 1864-66 Mexican stamp SC#23d, I deduce it because it corresponds to the 24.5 mm model without overprint. The fact is that in the Scott catalog the value box for the used copy of this type is empty...does that mean that these used copies have no value?

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Posted 06/03/2024   3:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Please read the explanations in the Scott catalog.


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Posted 06/03/2024   3:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You picture is pretty fuzzy, so I can't tell much for sure. If it's the late printing as you suspect, the cancel has been added fraudulently.
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Posted 06/03/2024   4:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peter14522, In the catalog says that stamps without overprinting are "remainders"...If I understand it correctly, the empty box is because they were not used as they were not overprinted....That is why billsey suspect that it could be a fraudulent cancellation....
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Posted 06/03/2024   5:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If your thinking and plan anything to do with early Mexico , first get the book -The Yucatan Affair about the work of Raoul Ch.de Thuin.
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Posted 06/03/2024   5:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found this page of forgeries Mexican stamps...My model does not appear, but I can see this type of cancellation on some stamps...

http://stampforgeries.com/forged-st...o-1866-1872/

The images correspond to a genuine stamp and one forgery (very bad) with the same cancellation.


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Edited by Murasama - 06/03/2024 5:26 pm
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I have a question. Is the underlying stamp OK? When I check the stamp against SG, the black and white image shows clear lettering around the stamp. The S of Correos in the catalogue and other images online, is well formed and stops short of 12 o'clock, whilst in this specimen the S appears after 12 o'clock. Similarly in the catalog the word Mexico doesn't appear to be as crisp and well-formed as that shown in the catalogue.

Am I imagining these differences?
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Posted 06/03/2024   8:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Chesham85 ---Your correct ,his is a forgery
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Posted 06/29/2024   09:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rtvstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello friends!

1.-The imperial eagle is a fake.

2.- The Maximilian is genuine with cancellation and District 34 number that corresponds to APAM.

3.- The blue stamp Hidalgo is fake

I hope this helps!
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Rodolfo
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Posted 06/30/2024   06:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In numismatics, so-called "fake vintage" coins arouse interest in some collectors. Does the same happen in stamps? Do fake stamps have any collectible interest?
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Posted 06/30/2024   07:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Murasama

It depends on who the forger was. There are enough collectors who are happy to add a facsimile to fill a gap that would otherwise be too expensive to fill. Some forgeries are so well-known they are collectable and, sometimes, command a premium. 'Fournier' is one famous name. There are a few others.

Also, a specialised collector might be happy to add forgeries to compare to the genuine stamps.
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