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Perfins - Collectable?

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Posted 12/04/2024   06:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add sigistenz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
A perfin damages a stamp considerably, so it should rather diminish its value ???
Most perfins are cryptic at that - but seemingly there are people who collect them. What motivates them?
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Posted 12/04/2024   07:17 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A perfin will generally reduce the value of a stamp, but it may increase the value of a common stamp. As for why - why do people collect postmarks, perf varieties, watermark varieties etc etc?
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Posted 12/04/2024   07:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Social history, postal history.
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Posted 12/04/2024   10:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Zuerich4 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dear sigistenz

It always depends on who you ask. If you ask a 'purist', they will tell you that they belong in the rubbish bin. But if you ask a perfin collector, he'll still be enthusiastic about half a hole.

Everyone is happy according to their own ideas. Nobody should tell you what or how to collect.

Best regards from Switzerland
André
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Posted 12/04/2024   11:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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If you ask a 'purist', they will tell you that they belong in the rubbish bin.


A genuine stamp collector would never say that about anything philatelic. One might say it does not interest them, or has no value to them, but the idea of throwing away anything because it is not in their interest is pretty nasty. If they want to pretend it is damaged, fine. Don't collect it. Pass it on to someone who does.
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Posted 12/04/2024   11:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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If you ask a 'purist', they will tell you that they belong in the rubbish bin.

I am glad I am not a 'purist' then.

I too am puzzled by the negativity toward a facet of the hobby - in this case, perfins are direct evidence of how stamps were handled and used by the business community. It is indeed part of social history and postal history. A perfin tells more "story" than the same stamp without. "Value" is not all monetary.
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Posted 12/04/2024   1:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perfins are very popular. If I am correct, I believe that GB and Germany lead in the number of types that can be found.

True, the stamp itself is 'technically' damaged, but, the study in itself can pass the condition (unless it is thinned, torn or something else).

Some companies had offices around the world and similar perfin patterns can be found of various countries.

In some auctions, I have seen some perfins sell for over $40.00 (my personal experience) and heard that some have sold for more. IMHO, perfins should be saved and not thrown out as junk.

Chimo

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Posted 12/04/2024   6:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These days a scarce US perfin (a one known only) might bring up to 200US$, while a common one might fetch 5 cents. The pricing structure for some other countries (Canada, Denmark) can even be higher. But, as usual, scarce is scarce.
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Posted 12/05/2024   01:28 am  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On the US Vending and Affixing stamps, there are some Schermacks that have perforated control markings that are very collectible.
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Austria
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Posted 12/05/2024   07:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommtomm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, as someone who collects Perfins, I find it difficult to understand why anyone would doubt their value as a collectible.

To illustrate the significance of Perfins, here are two examples:

1) The value of a Perfin stamp: Let this ebay auction speak for itself:


2) The story a Perfin can tell: Here's an Austrian example that highlights the historical depth behind a seemingly ordinary "Ostmark" stamp:


At first glance, this appears to be a regular stamp from the German Reich. However, a closer look at the postmark's date and the location of dispatch reveals a fascinating story.

The postmark is dated May 8, 1945, and the Perfin belongs to the Salzburg-based traditional company "Lanz," which still produces traditional costumes today (http://www.lanztrachten.at).

Salzburg was handed over to U.S. troops on May 4, 1945, causing the postal system to completely collapse by May 6. Just two days later, an employee of Lanz travelled a few miles to Mondsee in Upper Austria to send the company's business mail from there. Starting on May 11, German Reich stamps in Mondsee were already being overprinted, so this particular stamp is likely one of the last "Ostmark" issues to be delivered to its recipient.

This stamp is unique not only for its historical significance but also for its exceptionally rare perforation, making it a highlight of my Austrian Perfin collection, which now consists of over 15,000 stamps.
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Edited by tommtomm - 12/05/2024 07:27 am
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Posted 12/05/2024   07:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In a World where grading has taken hold, with symmetry and perfection rewarded by substantial premiums, mint stamps with unsullied gum sought after and used stamps with cancels of a certain aesthetic are the bee's knee's, perfins seem a contradiction. Kind of like the Victorias Secret catalog of the morbidly obese. That being said who is anyone to dictate what is right or wrong to collect. My belly button lint collection says otherwise. Punch away my philatelic soulmates, punch away.
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Posted 12/05/2024   08:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Having spend many dollars on stamps ,why is my desk covered with USED U.S. plate number coils , nobody collects such valueless stamps but I am enjoying my time here with them .Maybe because they are cheap and nobody cares about them .
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Posted 12/05/2024   08:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add paddle_more to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are two parts to perfin stamps. Having them but also taking the time to track down who issued them. I have a number of old GB perfins but have not tried to figure out whose initials they are. From Queen Victoria to KGV. One day when I have more time on my hands. Also, a Google search can tell you a lot about their history.
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Edited by paddle_more - 12/05/2024 09:00 am
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Posted 12/05/2024   09:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommtomm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@paddle_more

Simply show your GB perfins in an ID thread, and many collectors will help identify the companies that used them
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Belgium
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Posted 12/06/2024   06:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sigistenz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for widening my horizon.
Can someone ID this one? "DW" (or "DM"?)
Thanks again

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Edited by sigistenz - 12/06/2024 08:08 am
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Posted 12/06/2024   08:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommtomm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@sigistenz

DW ... D136, Dave Williams Company, New York City

Mentioned here by the way:

https://www.usca.nl/presentations/D...20Stamps.pdf
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Edited by tommtomm - 12/06/2024 08:34 am
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