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Letter And Stamps Contained Therein Real Or Counterfeit?

 
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Posted 12/04/2024   5:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Niklass to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello, I need help with this letter is actually real or was it fake, because the paper of the stamps on it looks a bit too thick for me or am I mistaken?

I am grateful for any helpful opinion!




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Posted 12/04/2024   6:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Captain Stamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello!
These are some pretty interestings stamps ! I'm not really good to identify if they're fake or not, but they look like genuine , but I can be wrong.
If you want more informations about these stamps, I can give you some so, tell me !

CS
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Posted 12/04/2024   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The poor resolution does not help but to my eye the stamps look as if they were printed on a modern machine. The staining on the stamps looks contrived as well since the cover is not stained around the stamps. The dated cancel looks wrong. The rate seems wrong as well since the letter went from Pennsylvania to Connecticut. The handwritten address looks like modern ink. The whole thing is IMO manufactured.
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Posted 12/04/2024   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree, the first thing I noticed before you mentioned it is that the stamps look too thick, as if a reperfed card proof. Can't really tell the quality of the stamps from the photo but the colors and detail looks OK at first glance.

The stains on the corners of the stamps, with no adjacent stains on the cover itself is a little odd.

The fingerprint smudge for the cancel looks too black for the era, IMO.

But most of all, there was no 60 cent rate for a normal weight letter from Philadelphia to Connecticut.

Adding to all that is the patriotic cover, it all screams this is a philatelic creation.
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Posted 12/04/2024   6:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Niklass to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the quick answers, yes the resolution is unfortunately a bit weak because of the data limit but yes some thoughts of mine have been confirmed here I don't know very well but 60 cents for a letter looks unusual then the too black stamp the thick stamps and the perfect centering or is there a chance that it is real after all?
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Edited by Niklass - 12/04/2024 6:32 pm
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Posted 12/04/2024   6:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The supposed addressee could be J. F. Slater. John Fox Slater from Jewett City CT was a businessman who owned some textile mills, and the Slater Library in Connecticut was built with funds he donated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fox_Slater

The twist? John Fox (unrelated to John Fox Slater as far as I know) is a famous forger of covers of the confederate era.
https://www.philatelicfoundation.or...fake-covers/

Nice.
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Posted 12/04/2024   6:58 pm  Show Profile Check ray.mac's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ray.mac to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If a forgery, the forger should've flipped the flags upside down!
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Posted 12/04/2024   7:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like an image that was created, rather than anything real. But the cancel screams fake, and the stamps do not look like they belong. And the patriotic envelope is about 8 years older than the stamps, so it would be very unlikely for them to have been used together.
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Posted 12/04/2024   7:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Letter rate was 3 cents.
The "stamps" are perfed at about a 10-gauge instead of 12.
"Counterfeit" would be too nice.
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Posted 12/04/2024   9:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Niklass to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, some of what is said here confirms my fears. That was all a bit too perfect to actually be true. Haha and yes, if the perforation is not true, is it absolutely fake, is the letter itself worth something or real?
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Posted 12/05/2024   01:13 am  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the staining on the stamps and cancel are contrived, and the stamps are not appropriate. The paper appears to be overly thick, and the stamps were likely printed on a modern printer. The CDS appears to be printed or stenciled. There may be nothing authentic to the period...
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Posted 12/05/2024   06:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add drkohler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The "stamps" do not have the looks of engraved stamps to start with (apart from the wrong perf. gauge). You can easily check by gliding a fingertip over them. You should feel the raised lines and dots if it's an engraved stamp.

What I find curious that the faker of this piece forgot to add black ink into the vertical perf holes..
Also "off-cover tea treatment" for fake stains...seriously? I can't really tell anything about the stamp paper. It looks like the "stamps" are only glued with a central spot so the "stamps" hover over the letter along the edges (as can be seen by the shadow casting).
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Edited by drkohler - 12/05/2024 06:15 am
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Posted 12/05/2024   7:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Niklass to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I think he thought pouring some tea on it could be a good idea!
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