Russia 10r 5th Anniversary Of October Revolution

Yesterday I got this new stamp from Russia´s serie 5th Anniversary of October Revolution. I don't know why, but this series has always caught my attention since I first looked through the catalog, which is why I bought the first one when I saw it. I never thought they were pretty, just striking and classic, which is what I like. This 10r issue is especially dark compared to the 5r, perhaps because of its dark color and its secondary position in the index, so it went unnoticed by other collectors who reviewed the old album before me. Lucky for me, because even if it wasn't the pelure paper model SC#212a, which it is, and I have no doubt about that, as I'll explain later, it wouldn't have mattered to me if it was the regular SC#212, since now I'm deep in the labyrinth of this issue and I'm already aiming for the pink and blue colors, on any paper! And hopefully, I'll complete it all in the very long run with all the papers... we'll see!
As I said before, I have no doubt that it is pelure, for several reasons: the thin, the light transmission, the sizing... and I have the opportunity to compare it with my other 5r copies, both on pelure and regular paper... and I have no doubt... in addition, I have measured them with a caliper, and while the ideal is a micrometer (which I don't have), it is noticeable that the regular paper gives a minimal measurement while the pelure is practically at 0... clearly below 0.065, perhaps today I will have the opportunity to do it with a digital one. This is my opinion, based on the comparison and measurement tests. As always, opinions are welcome...




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You don't need a micrometer to determine Pelure paper, just backlight it.

The backlight works well... but I think that in the stamps of this issue, based on other discussions in the forum, the determining factor seems to be the micrometer. I personally notice in the Russian pelure that I have seen the thin, sizing, stiffness and the snap...but is my opinion.

I built and sold a six figure collection of Russia and never was a micrometer a thought. Pelure paper is a "no-doubter" unless you try and make something be something it is not which is what was taking place in other threads. File this under "not rocket science".

My intention is to never try to pass one thing off as another... why do you insinuate that? What do I gain? At most, am I deceiving myself? My intention is always to share and learn, I am not motivated by any other motive... I could be wrong, of course, but I don't know why you attribute a dark mood to me... anyway, look into it, because it's about debating about stamps, not attitudes... and I don't think I've ever had a bad attitude for you to address me like that...If you know more and have more experience, great, but if it's destructive, it's worth less than 0.

@Murasama; Micrometers often turn up where old tools are sold, they're not too difficult to renovate. About 5 to 10 USD would be the equivalent price of what I'd expect to pay from a junk market.

Just realised Izal toilet paper must have been pelure. It was very useful for making a musical instrument out of a comb.

Thank you Flightle_bee I see that your wisdom covers all fields with great precision…

Unless it sere on piece, the scan of the back certainly does not look like pelure. You should be able to see the full design and cancel easily from the back if on pelure.

@Murasama… great precision is vital when using Izal.

I hope you can see it in the photo... but as I said, besides the micrometer, thinness, sizing, stiffness and snap are decisive for me...with high exposure..





On the left, paper clearly opaque, thick, spongy, without stiffness or snap... in the center and on the right, thin, smooth, with sizing and snap...

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So anyway, I know of few collectors or expertizing organizations for that matter that regularly employ a micrometer.

Have you owned other stamps that were/are pelure paper? It is easy as breathing to see if you actually know what it is.

You would immediately know if you had pelure paper since you can see right through it. It is that thin for this issue. If you put the pelure stamp over newsprint you could see the letters of the words.

We recently had another painfully long thread about another Russian stamp issue and pelure paper. If anyone has to argue that hard it is NOT pelure paper. Pelure and regular paper are like cats and dogs. One woofs and the other purrs.

Finally, the decisive factor in your opinion is that it can't be a pelure, because I insist it is... Fantastic!
For me, and I insist for the last time, it's a pelure because it has all the characteristics of a pelure, and you can also compare it with another non-pelure and the difference is noticeable... but the ideal would be a micrometer...And I don't think that's saying anything bad or strange or speculative...
As we discussed in another thread, where it was concluded that there were only two types of paper in this issue, you can see them in the photo I've uploaded. And that's an argument, not just Izal. And of course, I have other pelure stamps, like the Northwest Army, and I know the sizing and characteristics of pelure.

Apparently not.

The first post lays out a case for Pelure paper but there is doubt because that is the reason (I guess ) for the topic in the first place?

However, as soon as opinions against pelure paper are voiced the response is to reject them out of hand with irritation/anger to boot.

I humbly suggest that confirmation bias is real.

Despite your vast knowledge, the contribution has been less than 0, the only thing that has become clear is that you do not need a micrometer because your vast experience (and the visible characteristics of the pelure) enable you to identify it by smell...but there are people who are still developing their skill and learning, who perhaps by chance have a micrometer at home and can begin to see their Russian stamp with different eyes, if they did not know the pelure...Anyway, I will not insist any more...I want to talk about stamp and for it to contribute, not to feel attacked, I do not like it...and I think I have always been polite.
Yes, it's obviously my fault, for wanting to talk about stamps... I'll try to make it happen as little as possible.

On U.S. newspaper stamps, pelure paper is so thin that one can see the design easily even when the stamp is reversed and face down. It is so thin that the stamp will not support itself when held in tongs. Of course those are large stamps, much larger than this one.

If opinions are welcome, then I also have my doubts. Instead of measuring thickness, why not first clean up by removing that hinge from the back? Then when fully dry, try this simple test that was suggested earlier, and also seen on Wikipedia. Place over some typewritten words, and show us what you have. Here is the picture from Wikipedia, where the print underneath says "PELURE" repeatedly.