Russia 10r 5th Anniversary Of October Revolution

The difference between Pelure USA and Pelure was already clarified by Rodgcam in another thread, making it clear that a comparison cannot be made in transparency and thinness.
Regarding my stamp, I already told you that it doesn't reach that level of transparency... and I also told you that I haven't seen any copies of this series of those that claim to be Pelure online that reach that level. If anyone has a copy of this issue with that level of transparency, it would be very helpful to see it. This brings us to the existence of only two papers, which Rodgcam also made clear in the aforementioned thread. Having two types of paper in my hands, one spongy and thick, and another smooth and thin, which is Scott's Pelure? Neither? I think the photo I put against the light shows the thickness of both types of paper and their light resistance.

You just replied that you haven't seen a Pelure stamp that fit the criteria. I just posted a Russian Pelure stamp that was downloaded from Wiki. If your Russian stamp does not show the letters behind when placed on a white background with black text, then it is not thin enough to be Russian Pelure. Right?

But you haven't shown me a 5th anniversary model... can you get an image like that of a 211a or any other model in the series where such transparency can be seen?
I can show you these, for example... Do you think they achieve that level of transparency? Maybe the seller is trying to trick us?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/387940377698
or this other
https://www.ebay.com/itm/362266490486
Is that the level of transparency?

I'm going to say that neither of those are on Pelure paper. Is there anything you really need to hear before we close this thread to further comments? I don't think we're getting anywhere.

Yes, I would like to add the following... that from what I have been able to see (and especially from what I have not been able to see), what is called pelure in this 5th anniversary issue, is not as transparent as it should be... and if I am wrong, please please show it to me (I am not saying letters anymore, but simply the black color of the cardboard giving it a grayish tone)... I also request that you leave the thread open for at least one more week in case someone can contribute an image of a 211a or any other one from the issue where we can appreciate the transparency (I do not understand the rush to close the conversation).. Nothing more, thank you.

Just another example of what I found...look at the paper size in the description, 0.065...no pelure? transparency?

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthope...i-4856803260

Now yes, nothing more..

This quote from nystamp dot org "The topic is paper". It suggests (to me) that the "true" pelure paper is made from some kind of fibre native to Hawaii.

The question I have is... is the 5th Anniversary pelure paper, or a thin paper with the texture of pelure but not as transparent? How do other catalogs other than Scott identify it? Is it pelure too?

The 5th Anniversary issue variety is described by dealers in Russian material as thin paper rather than Pelure. We need to keep in mind that Scott is not a specialty catalog for any Countries other than the US. Regardless of the term though the thin/pelure version of this issue has the same look as the stamp Partime posted. Very thin and very transparent. It is a no-doubter when you handle it.

It seems, from the nystamp quote above, the US pelure papers were made as a make-weight to bring the weight of a ream of paper (480 to 500 sheets) up to specification. That seems a bit odd… who weighs a ream of paper to the accuracy of a quarter-ounce?

At this point, two things are certain for me, even if Rodgcam gets angry:
-In this issue, there are two papers, one thick and one thin. A theory I accept about this is that within the thick paper, there could be different thickness ranges (this has already been discussed in another thread, and I don't see it as out of the question). About thin paper, there could be a paper as thin as the transparent Pelure; it's more likely, but I haven't seen it in all my web searches.
-The micrometer can make the difference... since I don't know if it's correct to speak of a strict Pelure in this edition, but rather of a thin paper below 0.065...
I hope someone can show a copy about which there is no doubt...

I found this set, where the transparency is noticeable. I think it's the only authentic one of all the ones I've seen...although some seem more transparent than others...





Seeing the 5r, I reaffirm my opinion on the micrometer... and also on the greater use of fur for this issue... that's my opinion.

A block of thin paper... from the same website( https://www.russianstamps.com/resul...mp=no&gp=rz2 )..Transparency is no longer obvious ...

I don't see any transparency differences on this set, since I can't see the underlying stamp underneath any of these overlapping stamps. Just some general fuzziness, though the 45p single looks interesting.

But, if you have purchased them, and have them in hand, then please try the white paper with PELURE type trick, and show us what you get.

I think that's a stonemason's apron, not <cough> "fur".

Ok..this is the mine thin paper..





Do you want to see the difference with the thick paper I have, or can you already imagine it?

from the scanner...

No one has talked about medium thin paper yet.

To clearly see the difference between the two types of paper.




Rodgcam..noooo..medium paper really? exist?