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Posted 07/05/2025   12:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add PostalHysteria to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can someone further identify the model of this International Machine? Thank you.

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Posted 08/27/2025   1:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampsOnMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the exercise of consulting my limited library to see if I could help. I'm not an expert on machine cancels, but I believe the electric-powered Int'l Model is "Flier". ("Electric-powered" might be redundant if "Flier" model, I don't have further recall & am not going to re-read dozen of journals to confirm, ha.)
Based on an illustrated study of Int'l cancels of mid-20th century of another state, the Charlottesville example appears to be Dial J, cancel of given slogan. (It is the only dial, oddly enough, with state at bottom; all other dials in this state's chart have Year or ZIP Code at bottom, so will be surprised if not Dial J.)
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Posted 08/27/2025   8:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would call it a "Flier" and leave it at that.

IMO, The machine cancel folks (of which I am one) have greatly over-typed the dials and killers in an attempt to flyspeck small differences. These dials and killers are made of steel and last a considerable time. Each batch may differ slightly in font, spacing, placement of various pieces of information, etc. To add to the confusion, in more recent years, some of the dials became more interchangeabe, so it may be nearly impossble to determine the model of the driving power of a particular dial/killer with absolute certainty.

And of course, one should not expect a Zip Code in the dial in 1960.
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Posted 08/29/2025   05:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostalHysteria to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
JOHN BECKER and STAMPS ON MAIL thank you for your responses
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Posted 09/01/2025   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampsOnMail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"And of course, one should not expect a Zip Code in the dial in 1960."

It is fun challenge to see how many of New York City's postal zone numbers can still be found in 1960-onward dials. I think I have a couple postmarks that still used "17" (Grand Central Station) a few years (e.g., 1966 or 1967 perhaps) after ZIP Code started being added to dials in 1965.
(Now if I can only run across one of those pictures to share soon...)
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