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Posted 07/10/2013   09:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In 2012, the Czech Post issued a stamp (see http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ029.12?lang=en ) to honour the traveller Alberto Vojtěch Frič (1882-1944) who had explored, between 1901 and 1912, South American territories along rivers such as the Amazon, living with the local Amerindian tribes, collecting cacti and their seeds as well as ethnographic and linguistic material about the tribes, on whom he later published books and scientific papers.

To produce the stamp the detailed line-drawing of Jan Kavan's design was executed by the engraver Václav Fajt but then the design was not engraved, it was printed by offset using stochastic screening to preserve every detail of Fajt's line-drawing. Therefore, lovers of the beauties of engraved stamps, beware! Just a new way of printing stamps on the cheap and making them look engraved to unsuspecting beginners.

However, I have fond memories of the explorer Alberto Vojtěch Frič, the descriptions of his travels and, strangely enough, my early stamp collecting days.

A friend of mine, Vladimír Kovářík, born in 1927, ten years my senior, had an uncle in Prague who was Frič's friend and through him Vladimír got a travel book by Frič containing a handwritten dedication by the author to Vladimír, aged about 15 then.

Talking about the stamp collection of Vladimír's young days, he remembered the source of his former stamp treasures and showed me the Frič travel book, among whose pages he kept a cover sent from Air Mail G.P.O. British Guiana on 1 JU 1939 (sent before the outbreak of WWII it did not bear any censorship marks or sender's name and address) and another cover with a couple of 40 c Venezuela airmails cancelled with a dater saying just 14 MAR 1941 applied somewhere in Venezuela and bearing a violet CDS 10 AM MAR 17 CARACAS on the back of it and a rubber stamp saying POR AVION DESDE CARACAS HASTA ESTADOS UNIDOS, which translates "By air from Caracas to the United States" (in spite of the fact that the addressee's address contained the instruction "Via Natal /Brazil/ to Dakar /French West Africa/") plus U.S. and German censorship marks. The sender's name and address were given as F. Herbst, Rio Branco, Boa Vista, Amazonas, Brazil.

There were also two post-war cover fronts enclosed in the book: one with CDS Lidgerwood, N. DAK., MAR 1, 1946, the other sent from PEDRO MIGUEL, DEC 19, 1946, CANAL ZONE. Everything was addressed to Mrs. Milada Říhošková and Vladimír told me the following:

His uncle Jaroslav Říhošek married a divorced teacher Milada Herbst, who had been a wife of a Prague banker, Herbst, by whom she'd had a son, František (= Frank) Herbst, born about 1909.

In 1939, Frank left Czechoslovakia for British Guiana intending to travel following in the footsteps of Alberto Vojtěch Frič, his step-father's friend. Before the US entered the war, Frank Herbst sent letters addressed to his mother Milada Říhošková. Afterwards he was said to have joined the US armed forces and to have served in the Pacific theatre. After the war he wrote to his mother from Lidgerwood, North Dakota (March 1946) and the Canal Zone (December 1946). Traces of his were lost with the deaths of his mother and step-father in Prague.

Chances are that Frank Herbst could have given Czechoslovak stamps from his correspondence with his mother in Prague to a stamp collector in Lidgerwood, N.DAK. who might still remember him. Thank you for any recollections, also on behalf of my friend Vladimír Kovařík, who will soon be 86.
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Edited by florian - 07/11/2013 08:06 am
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Posted 07/10/2013   11:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BradS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The link at the beginning of the post wasn't working for me?
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Posted 07/10/2013   3:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Florian,

the stochastic offset-litho is quite common and was used already in the early 1990-ies in Germany and in The Netherlands.

pozdrawiam, Rein, z Krakowa, Polska
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Posted 07/11/2013   02:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BradS - I am sorry. I've now changed the link in the hope it will work this time. Thank you for reminding me.
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Edited by florian - 07/11/2013 06:07 am
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Posted 07/11/2013   08:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Galeoptix - Rein, I wanted to point out that stamps signed by engravers alongside designers do not have to be engraved, just line-drawn by the former even if the lines apear as fine as those engraved, they, in fact, lack the brilliance of the colour and the relief both so characteristic of line engraving.

The very first Czech stamp executed by this method was issued on June 16, 2010 (see http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ018.10?lang=en ), followed by another (http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ033.10?lang=en ) and a dozen more have appeared since (e.g. http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ013.11?lang=en , http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ017.11?lang=en , http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ026.11?lang=en , http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ002.13?lang=en ).

Regards, Florian

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Posted 07/24/2013   07:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add iangreenwood to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Further to your post about the engraver Emile Feltesse, there may be a little more to add. You show a picture of his Hotel Dieu de Beaune stamp of 23 March 1942: it is worth remembering that this was his second go, the first having been issued the previous May. Whether he misjudged his work accidentally or deliberately, the May 1941 issue was the last of the German occupation to show the 'RF' acronym. Was he ordered to re-engrave? By 1942 the 15f value had replaced the 'RF'. What did he think of this? He has shifted his name, formerly below the 'RF', to the other end of the stamp. Do you think Emile was making a point?
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Posted 07/25/2013   08:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, iangreenwood, welcome to this thread and thanks for your interesting observation about the disappearance of the 'RF' acronym. Considering the problem in the context of those years, the wartime changes to the country's designation on her stamps due to constitutional changes would certainly call for someone qualified to comment on.

It is interesting to note that the designation 'ETAT FRANCAIS' appeared on just one set (excepting the 1942 officials) and was immediately abandoned to that of 'FRANCE'.
(Only French Indochina under the Vichy regime kept using the 'EF' abbreviation on her local issues except for one 'RF' error soon replaced with the correct 'EF' design.)

On the other hand, 'REPUBLIQUE FRANCAISE' in full seems to have been preferred to mere 'RF' or 'FRANCE' in the post-war years. Any reasons for that?

Periods when the designation 'FRANCE' on the country's stamps was given preference , however, have occurred from time to time. Take for example Pierre Gandon's Abbaye de Conques - Aveyron, 15 F, issued on Dec. 18, 1947 inscribed 'REPUBLIQUE FRANCAISE' (see http://www.philateliefrancaise.fr/T...=Conques_792 ) and the same design, 18 F, inscribed 'FRANCE' issued on May 10, 1948 (see http://www.philateliefrancaise.fr/T...=Conques_805 ) as if that particular designation had been required by who knows whom/what.

Actually, the latter link says: 'Ce timbre est une reprise de celui de 1947, la légende "République Française" est remplacée par la mention "France", ce qui est conforme aux directives de l'U.P.U.'

However, the requirements of the U.P.U. are disreguarded at the end of 1948 and in the following years, although designs inscribed 'FRANCE' in 1948 reappearing in later years in different denominations keep the name of the country in this form. See http://www.philateliefrancaise.fr/T...embourg_1946
http://www.philateliefrancaise.fr/T...xembourg_803 http://www.philateliefrancaise.fr/T...xembourg_804
or
http://www.philateliefrancaise.fr/T...=Leclerc_815 http://www.philateliefrancaise.fr/T...=Leclerc_942 http://www.philateliefrancaise.fr/T...=Leclerc_984

As for this thread, the index to it appears on p. 47 but it has not been brought to date, so Emile Henri Feltesse is not included in it. Therefore it would be advisable to refer to the page which the name appears on as well as address the person whose post you are discussing.

To search for the stamps you mentioned I used
http://www.philateliefrancaise.fr/T...=Beaune_1941
http://www.philateliefrancaise.fr/T...=Beaune_1942

Regards,

Florian
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Edited by florian - 08/14/2013 06:36 am
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Posted 08/21/2013   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some more multicolour purely hand-engraved stamps printed from flat plates recently issued for the Czech Post and displayed on:
http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en

13th-Cent. Záviš' Cross Reliquary, Vyšší Brod Monastery (engraved by Miloš Ondráček)
http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ013.13?lang=en
For description, see http://www.ceskaposta.cz/en/filatel...rod-id40430/

Portrait of the Goldsmith Iacobus Kinig by the 16th-Cent. Venetian painter Paolo Veronese, Prague Castle Picture Gallery (engraved by Miloš Ondráček)
http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ011.13?lang=en
Description: http://www.ceskaposta.cz/en/filatel...ler-id40337/

Detail of the Whipping of Christ by the 16th-Cent. Italian Renaissance painter Tintoretto, Prague Castle Picture Gallery (engraved by Miloš Ondráček)
http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ013.12?lang=en
Description: http://www.ceskaposta.cz/en/filatel...tto-id37894/

750th Anniversary of the foundation of Zlatá Koruna Monastery (design by Jan Kavan, engraved by Václav Fajt)
http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ006.13?lang=en
Description: http://www.ceskaposta.cz/en/filatel...ery-id40062/

800th Anniversary of the Golden Bull of Sicily (design by Oldřich Kulhánek, 1940-2013, engraved by Miloš Ondráček)
http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ034.12?lang=en
Description: http://www.ceskaposta.cz/cz/filatel...-ii-id39012/

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Edited by florian - 08/22/2013 06:16 am
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Posted 08/22/2013   07:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The last item in my previous post was designed by the painter and graphic artist Oldřich Kulhánek, designer of 39 Czech Republic postage stamps as well as of the current series of Czech banknotes. Oldřich Kulhánek died on Jan. 28, 2013 and his very last stamp design bore the portrait of the English novelist and journalist George Orwell (1903-1950). The stamp was engraved by Miloš Ondráček and printed on a WIFAG rotary press combining recess printing and photogravure.
See http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ007.13?lang=en
Description: http://www.ceskaposta.cz/en/filatel...950-id40063/

Another design by Oldřich Kulhánek was for the painter, graphic artist and stamp designer (see lithograving's posts of 05/04/2013 on p. 114 of this thread) Josef Liesler (1912-2005), engraved by Miloš Ondráček and printed by the same method.
http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ004.12?lang=en
Description: http://www.ceskaposta.cz/en/filatel...ler-id36666/

Oldřich Kulhánek excelled in portraiture.
See his portraits of Petr Vok and Vilém of Rožmberk, engraved by Miloš Ondráček and printed on a flat-bed Waite-&-Saville diestamp press
http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ012.11?lang=en
Description: http://www.ceskaposta.cz/en/filatel...erk-id32674/

and his portrait of the natural scientist Kašpar Maria ze Šternberka, engraved by the German engraver Wolfgang Mauer and printed on a flat-bed Waite-&-Saville diestamp press as well.
http://www.wnsstamps.ch/en/stamps/CZ002.11?lang=en
Description: http://www.ceskaposta.cz/en/filatel...838-id32217/
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Edited by florian - 08/22/2013 07:49 am
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Posted 08/24/2013   01:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jorgesurcl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ARGENTINA - 1867
Printed by American Bank Note Co.
Vignette engraver : Charles Burt (1823-1892)



ARGENTINA 1877
Vignette engraver : Alfred Jones (1819-1900):

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Posted 08/27/2013   12:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jorgesurcl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BRAZIL 1877 - Dom Pedro II
Printed by American Bank Note Co.
Vignette engraved by G.F.C. Smillie (1854-1924) (George Frederick Cumming Smillie)



ARGENTINA 1867
Printed by National Bank Note Co.
Vignette engraved by James Bannister (1821-1901)

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Posted 08/29/2013   2:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Darkoath to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just wanted to thank everyone for all the work that has gone into this topic. It is by far my favorite thread on this site! It has inspired me to also start a collection of engraved stamps! I'm only about a third of the way through all the pages so please excuse me if my questions have already been asked.

Has anyone done a bibliography of books about stamp design and engraving?

And from what I have been reading so far it looks like the Michel catalogs (which seems to be the main catalogue used for Europe) stopped listing stamp designers and engravers a while ago? If so how far back do you have to go to get Michel's catalogues that list the designer and engraver?

I wish there was a club for those who collect by engravers. I would love to find a mentor or learn from someone on how to do research about stamp design and engraving.

Is collecting by engraving considered topical collecting?

Again thank you for all the work that has been put into this topic. I still have hours of reading and looking at beautiful stamps ahead!

David
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Posted 08/30/2013   12:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jorgesurcl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Has anyone done a bibliography of books about stamp design and engraving?


I know these 2 books :



"The Engraver's Line" - An Encyclopedia of Paper Money & Postage Stamp Art. By Gene Hessler - 1993 (Information about American engravers)

"The International Engraver's Line". By Gene Hessler - 2005 (Information about European engravers)
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SPAIN 1876 - King Alfonso XII
Printed by Bradbury Wilkinson & Co.
Engraved by Alfred Benjamin Wyon (1837-1884)



SPAIN 1909 - King Alfonso XIII
Printed by Fábrica Nacional de Moneda y Timbre
Engraved by Bartolomé Maura (1844-1926)

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SPAIN
Stamps printed by Waterlow & Sons
Engraved by John A.C. Harrison (1872-1954)

1926 - Spanish Red Cross





1928 - Pro Catacumbas San Damaso

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